New hrothgar hairstyles are really bad.

[Vahlnir]

The worst part about Viera is that they are the only ones who cannot equip the new helmets from the PVP set reward (The black and red one)

If Hrothgar can wear it, it probably looks just as ridiculous as every other helmet that completely replaces the head on them. They always look laughably small on a large body. Like, they can never put in the effort to scale the head beyond that of a hyur when it comes to Hrothgar and helmets.

[SturmChurro]

The worst part about Viera is that they are the only ones who cannot equip the new helmets from the PVP set reward (The black and red one)

I wish they would just do viera/hrothgar custom headgear in place of this sort of headgear, if their "custom" features are such an issue. Like, for example, having a crown instead of the full helmet. I'd prefer a crown on my au ra, if I wanted that set, for that matter. Of course, that would require them putting in more work, and modelling an alternative.

[Raikai]

I really thought this was an April Fool's joke...

A lot of time has passed for that.... hair update
for Cat Daddies.

I like Mr. Yoshi P and the FFXIV team, but there are way too
many Hrothgar hair mods to accept "Hrothgar heads are
different" as an excuse.

I mean... some of those aren't perfect, like the shapes roughly cutting through the hair... But I don't think it looks bad to the point that togglng the ears off make it superior.

At best, the clipping, when it happens in those examples, are on par with hair clipping on the collar of shirts or neck pieces.

[Rehayem]

They'd make everyone happy if they allowed clipping but made those hairs work like normal. But oops, perfectionism kills creativity.

[MsQi]

I mean... some of those aren't perfect, like the shapes roughly cutting through the hair... But I don't think it looks bad to the point that togglng the ears off make it superior.

At best, the clipping, when it happens in those examples, are on par with hair clipping on the collar of shirts or neck pieces.

I am baffled by what they consider acceptable and unacceptable. Miqo'te ears don't look that great in a lot of hairstyles, and they let those pass.

[MellowMink]

Something I want to add to this thread: The excuse that the code is hard to work with because of present 1.0 spaghetti code is only really an acceptable press response to paying customers for so long. There have so far been four gigantic expansions to an already large base game, with planning for a fifth, so maybe more time should be spent on basic aspects of the engine even if it means the next expansion being less lengthy?

I’m a full-time programmer, and I know how hard it can be to read through and work with awkwardly written legacy code, but I also know that it being tricky doesn’t always work as an excuse, and sensible companies that already make a lot of money in profits will often bring in more people if there really is something that there are insufficient resources for. Hard and impossible are also different things.

If developers are having issues figuring out how to add ears to one of their already less-supported races, then could Square Enix -please- hire some modders like with how Sega hired fan coders to make the hugely successful Sonic Mania, or do they have too much pride to even consider doing that? And yes, I’m aware that there’s additional work that has to be done beyond what modders do, like far more testing and making sure that the overall build doesn’t break, but why refuse to reach out to them altogether?

The latest response feels like it’s trying to guilt me into being happier with my character’s race consistently having less customization option than the other characters, or else risk an even slower time than the several -years- that already passed by, and that makes me sad. I am grateful that more content creators are raising increased attention to this at least.

Also, please stop using clipping as an excuse to not update the Hrothgar further; there are already tons of clothes across the game’s life with clipping, and there are already sometimes clipping issues with hair or horns with other races, so if you’re not going to be consistent with your opposition to clipping, then it feels like a disingenuous excuse to downplay concerns of Hrothgar players yet again…

And one last thing: Why is feedback in relation to missing ears only being asked for -now- after lots of technical work has already been done? There was an unfair assumption made that most players wouldn’t care about missing ears, and nobody thought to survey the community or gather more feedback before starting?

[MilesCrowley]

Career Hrothgar tossing in my two gil for feedback.

I always considered Hrothgar a niche race. It was a commitment to a very specific character. That was fine to me.

I've only ever wanted to not feel like the "Limited Job" of race choice. Which come down to three steps for me.

1. The ability to change my hairstyle, even if it was only tied to the face choice without having to buy a fantasia. (This update has done this.)
2. Make the eight unique hairstyles available on all faces. If other race's hairstyles aren't possible at least let us use all of our unique hairstyles regardless of face choice.
3. Female Hrothgar (Which was announced, but I'd like the first two fixed before we add another layer to the problem!)
Bonus: Give us a new style once in a while. Even at the rate of once an expansion.

I just want a solid baseline quality for the race that resembles the others. If it's meant to be the special race that does things differently and doesn't get other race's options that's fine. Just make it look like it's a finished product. Right now, this race feels like it's still in a beta state. That's the worst part of being a Hrothgar to me feeling like my character choice was an afterthought to the Viera.

[BrunoKazuki]

[Denji]

this belongs in a museum.

[Bergfinn]

Did some quick edit on the "xenomorph bowl cut" hairstyle. It's like the team responsible thought the hrothgar hairline is tied to the hunch and decided to just stretch the hair model instead of adapting it, what is kinda weird due the neck and back of the head is similar to all other races. It feels that the art team is struggling not only with the ears but with the hunch as well.

If the hunch is giving more trouble for new customization options, get rid of it. FFX's Ronso Race doesn't have a hunch, this is a western MMO thing for beast and monster looking races like WoW Tauren and GW2 Charr - and most players who play with the such races hate it.

Now for the feedback, since the dev team are asking: first and foremost, I love the patch 6.1, it's being so much fun! It really saddens me how it got tainted by the state of the new hrothgar hairstyles and the removal of SAM's kaiten ability. I can't say anything about SAM issues due not being my main job ingame, but as a hrothgar player I hope to give some insight to you guys at the dev team.

(btw english isn't my main language so sorry for any mispelling)

- Before anything: halt any kind of new hairstyle development to all other races till at least you guys manage to unlock all base hrothgar hairstyles to all the faces.

- Halt the current development of Female Hrothgar till you manage to find a way to fix the issue to add new hairstyles and headgear for both hrothgar and vieras. Adding a new model will only stack more problems if the same decisions are being made to the female model.

- The hairstyles chosen for this first batch were horrible, they don't look good on hrothgar - even if you guys managed to implement with the ears people would still complain a lot to be honest. And the fact the only good one is locked behind a paywall at the mogstation, it left a really bad taste on most people's mouth. Would be better if we had a small survey asking what kind of the current hairstyles available ingame people want to hrothgar, would be way better if you tried something like "we can only do 5 for now, what are the ones you players want the most?" than just adapt the same hairstyles viera got.

- Try add new exclusive hairstyles for hrothgar, here on the forums since the reveal of the hairstyles several people even designed really good ones!

- If the ears are being a problem due weird clipping on some hairstyles, let it clip for now and work in a more long term better fix aesthetic and technical wise for 7.0.

- Get hid of the hunch, it'll make the life for you devs way easier for everything related to hairstyles, headgear and even mitigate clipping, giving way more freedom and options to work with.

- And for last: thanks for finally make hrothgar be able to change hairstyles without the need of spending real money on fantasia. It's a small step forward for sure, but is a step forward to the right direction.