New hrothgar hairstyles are really bad.

[SacraAnima]

What more is there to "address" at the moment?

Am I missing something? He addressed yall by saying "here are the choices/ reasons and drawbacks, give us feed back so we can make a decision". Has there been a consensus reached in the past couple weeks other than "I don't like the thing"? I've seen a number of Hrothgar just use the fox ears, perhaps the JPN suggestion of making more ear headgear is popular? Yall want the shared hair BUT with trashy clipping like the mods? Yall want to roll the dice on maybe getting 1 hairstyle an expac by going the unique hair path?

I see a lot of talk about communication and crackpot theories about things in recent pages and not much else.

If you're really curious you can hop back in the pages to when Zhexos first posted here, a good amount of us voiced our opinions and offered our feedback. I think now it would be appropriate for the devs to at least acknowledge and echo back some of our points of feedback so that they can start to build back some trust regard the issue of how they're handling Hrothgar.

Remember that it had been three years of very little information about the hairstyles, during those three years there was no communication with the players about what paths they were taking to make Hrothgar hairstyles work, if they had asked for our feedback when it was decided that removing their ears was the only solution other than just letting them clip then the community surely would have told them that isn't what anyone wants.

I'll also say that when new Hrothgar hair was announced it was described as "racially specific" so imagine our surprise and disappointment when the new hairstyles were revealed to be the same six that Viera were given (curated to fit Viera aesthetics) and have our ears removed from our heads. I understand that you might not want to read through so many pages in a thread, but I think it's important to at least have empathy when talking with a community that just got pooped on

[reivaxe]

If you're really curious you can hop back in the pages to when Zhexos first posted here, a good amount of us voiced our opinions and offered our feedback. I think now it would be appropriate for the devs to at least acknowledge and echo back some of our points of feedback so that they can start to build back some trust regard the issue of how they're handling Hrothgar.

Remember that it had been three years of very little information about the hairstyles, during those three years there was no communication with the players about what paths they were taking to make Hrothgar hairstyles work, if they had asked for our feedback when it was decided that removing their ears was the only solution other than just letting them clip then the community surely would have told them that isn't what anyone wants.

I'll also say that when new Hrothgar hair was announced it was described as "racially specific" so imagine our surprise and disappointment when the new hairstyles were revealed to be the same six that Viera were given (curated to fit Viera aesthetics) and have our ears removed from our heads. I understand that you might not want to read through so many pages in a thread, but I think it's important to at least have empathy when talking with a community that just got pooped on

Welp, first off, they didn't tailor pick the hairstyles for Viera. They're going "5.X + oldest" pretty much and working their way through expansions of hair. Prob cause that makes the most sense. You can predict which are next by looking at which show up next on the hair-number-line. Viera are just ... human faced. Shockingly, they will look better in any human hair than Hrothgar who have to have hair that's not even attached to their forehead to get around the differences in their 4 cat faces.

I also think "Just let it clip" may be a nonstarter for YP. It's easy to say that, until you see how crap it makes the race look in game. IDK if that's an option he would even consider, they don't even want Viera ears clipping too much which is why they seemingly poke holes where the ears meet the hair. Could be some processing foolery behind that. Hrothgar got 4 completely different ear shapes and sizes, they don't come from a uniform origin like every other race.

Also, what if they're plans for "racially specific" hair was "1 new hairstyle an expac"? They NEVER said how many they were willing to make or if they would be locked to new faces/heads or what (they never intended to give yall the power to change hairstyles back then, remember?). They rarely make new hair for the whole other 98% of the playerbase, thinking that they may have intended on giving Hrothgar just 1 an expac when they can only bother to release somewhere between 6-8 for everyone else an expac isn't too extreme a guess. Many Hrothgar wanted a selection of hair/ non-potion hair swapping and shared hair annnnd had 2-3 years to bend their ear about it ... so that's what they got.

And I wanted to know the run down on what people settled on because it should be easy to tell if people are NOW demanding some form of feedback from the devs. He set the terms for ya, you either get them the way they are doing it now or you get "racially specific" hair that's far fewer in numbers and far less frequently, or you make some suggestions that might help I guess (JPN with the "Make more ear headgear" seems like a good start. There's also the fact that they can look at what people actually do in game, most times I see Hroths with the shared hair it's with the Fox or Wolf ears, so they may think its cool to make more suitable ears gear and stay the course).

when can we expect to see the community be addressed in an official capacity regarding these hairstyles? this is not something that will just go away on its own and the community deserves better communication regarding how this is being handled, if at all.

that's what needs addressed. what is the solution moving forward beyond "geez guys, this is really hard, why don't you just be happy with the scraps"?

They DID address you, they told you to voice your option and give feedback. They are asking you to tell THEM what you want, well knowing that there's gonna be drawbacks to w/e you pick. If you think there's been enough discussion, then what have people landed on other than "Not happy"?

[Chikatsu]

What more is there to "address" at the moment?

Am I missing something? He addressed yall by saying "here are the choices/ reasons and drawbacks, give us feed back so we can make a decision". Has there been a consensus reached in the past couple weeks other than "I don't like the thing"? I've seen a number of Hrothgar just use the fox ears, perhaps the JPN suggestion of making more ear headgear is popular? Yall want the shared hair BUT with trashy clipping like the mods? Yall want to roll the dice on maybe getting 1 hairstyle an expac by going the unique hair path?

I see a lot of talk about communication and crackpot theories about things in recent pages and not much else.

when can we expect to see the community be addressed in an official capacity regarding these hairstyles? this is not something that will just go away on its own and the community deserves better communication regarding how this is being handled, if at all.

that's what needs addressed. what is the solution moving forward beyond "geez guys, this is really hard, why don't you just be happy with the scraps"?

[Karowolus]

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In general, all we want is to get noticed by the developers. We want some transparency, we want them to say 'yeah we can look into doing this'. We want them to give us an answer. There's no need for rioting in the game, on social media or anything like that. Please don't do anything that puts your account at risk. If this TRULY ruined the game that much for you, you would have unsubbed with 6.1's release. But the fact that people are still wanting to discuss this and holding onto the threads of hope that we have given ourselves show that there's still, albeit a slim chance. We can mock SE, heckle SE and hurl insults at developers all we want. But that won't change a thing, it makes us look ungrateful for the few things that we do have. It's not uncommon for SE to do stuff without telling the fans. Both to their detriment and advantage.

Yoshida. Any Community Reps and any GMs who are reading this thread. If you so happen to be. Us players are here, we have problems with your game and it's your job to fix them. We want to be respectful to you. And in turn we do expect that respect to be returned to us. We understand that you aren't some perfect being like some people on the server insist you are. Mistakes are made and mistakes can be rectified. And when these mistakes are pointed out. It is your job as the provider of a product to rectify the mistakes.

If you do not fix them... Why should you get so frustrated when players go out of their way to modify the game, or even just overlay game files in order to rectify the mistakes that you are neglecting to fix?
Is there not the double standard of the BLM fix and the Ultimate fix, hell the housing fix being fixed mere days after they were pointed out. Yet we have been left in the dark for almost... What... Almost 100 days. That's a third of the year... When are we going to get any sort of update that isn't just you regurgitating the lies that were thrown at us in the patch notes reading? Because trust me. As this thread shows.

None of us believe that, And almost everybody here has seen that what Yoshida is claiming is 'difficult' has been done, by people who haven't even finished their degrees.

Whether this is a case of gross incompetence, spaghetti code that was left untouched because of laziness or a developer who left and left his horrid code without a translation. This needs to be fixed, because this thread is proof that the players are unsatisfied.

[Kolsykol]

I don't think they're '' frustrated '' by the mods, as Yoshi-P has said before just don't advertise it.
When Yoshi-P was talking about third party mods he wasn't talking about that, they just don't want to open up the flood gates by officially endorsing anything because then they'll get overflooded with the same morons who think that Discord is banned who will start pushing things and make absurd comparisons etc.
Considering the mental breakdowns people had about the last time he talked about addons I have absolutely zero faith whatsoever that people would be responsible about this at all and I don't blame them one bit for not wanting to officially endorse any addons.
Apparently people can't be expected to behave like adults about it so it's better to just say that nothing is endorsed.
If they came out and said that one addon was okay people would start pushing it and it'd soon derail into '' well why isn't this okay '' and it'd go on and on.

Something I think should be asked and brought to their attention in the next QnA is that instead of reeee:ing, ask if they have any plans to update this along with the graphical overhaul that is coming.
It's a good opportunity to go in and actually solve a lot of this since they'll already be touching up models and I have to imagine have a dedicated team working on it specifically.

[KizuyaKatogami]

This would be the best way to go about it. I'd rather see Hrothgar take longer to get a new hairstyle that perfectly fits their head structure if it means the quality of the hairstyle for them is far better.

Please do not rush yourselves in implementing things like this, Yoshi-P and FFXIV team. Take the time that is neccessary to give the playerbase what they desire.

They’ve already waited 3 years though for what is it? 6 hairstyles? That they couldn’t properly model ears on them. At this rate the game is gonna be over by the time they get to it.

[Kyrj]

They’ve already waited 3 years though for what is it? 6 hairstyles? That they couldn’t properly model ears on them. At this rate the game is gonna be over by the time they get to it.

Also that kind of thinking is just terrible. If I mess up on a job my customers aren't going to say "Oh it's okay, just take all the time you need sweety, do you need a headpat and some milk?" No, they'd be mad they're paying for a mediocre product and rightfully so. I love the FF14 community but sometimes they're too soft for their own good, like the kind of people who order ranch at a restaurant and get honey mustard and they just go "No no it's fine".

[SturmChurro]

Also that kind of thinking is just terrible. If I mess up on a job my customers aren't going to say "Oh it's okay, just take all the time you need sweety, do you need a headpat and some milk?" No, they'd be mad they're paying for a mediocre product and rightfully so. I love the FF14 community but sometimes they're too soft for their own good, like the kind of people who order ranch at a restaurant and get honey mustard and they just go "No no it's fine".

This is exactly why we are where we are with this game. Probably why Yoshida is seemingly surprised by the feedback. People have been, for years, just saying "this is fine", or "take your time", etc. There were problems with the game -initially- with ShB, prior to Covid. However, once Covid hit, every single issue was just swept under the rug, as just being due to it. Yes, Covid had an impact, but let's not pretend that this is all because of it. These hrothgar hairs are just a symptom of a larger issue.

[SherlottaEryut]

Greetings, everyone.

As there have been a lot of feedback surrounding Hrothgar and their hairstyles, we wanted to share a recent update from Yoshida during the recent patch notes reading. On the stream he discussed the specifications of Hrothgar and the difficulties regarding adding hairstyles for them.

More race-hairstyles would be nice. A lot of people here and myself are curious if Yoshi-P’s 2019 live letter was a mistranslation or not? I thought race-specific hair was always on the table… but he speaks as if it’s just occurred to him? Isn’t that why he brought in these ‘unique’ races?

Also, I’m sorry to slightly derail the conversation, but while you’re here a guy has been asking for chocobo boots since 2017, a moderator replied and said they’d pass on the information to the developers, but he’s still waiting (albeit very patiently) on them.

Thank you for responding, I appreciate it

[Retrisar]

Greetings, everyone.

As there have been a lot of feedback surrounding Hrothgar and their hairstyles, we wanted to share a recent update from Yoshida during the recent patch notes reading. On the stream he discussed the specifications of Hrothgar and the difficulties regarding adding hairstyles for them.

They think that we stupid or something?
Mods in day one was able to add ears to those abomination which they dare call a hairstyle.

When they say that it would take them more time to add something new then now... so it's gonna be now 6y ? They rly doesn't have any shame to say that?

Mods are more capable than this entire studio... and they charge us monthly for this game. Its just show how lazy they are, adding half finished races and complaining that we want them to finish their work.