PvP Rewards New and Old - Why repeat past mistakes?

[Zetlin]

It's a very frustrating and disappointing thing to see the new reward system with PvP continue to be let down by limited time offerings that will generate FOMO in perpetuity as new players come to this game. In no other place in this entire game is there a system whos core reward structure is designed around the removal of currently achievable glam, titles, achievements, mounts, etc. This fresh new PvP scene they want to create could do without this mistake being repeated at the very minimum.

Even better would be to implement a poetics style system for players to acquire old rewards. It seems like that will be an impossibility going forward if the current structure of limited rewards is to stay. It's not just about the people playing now feeling forced to do PvP, but really it's about the players that will never get the chance. Before replying to this post go browse the rewards that have been removed before you started playing, I'm sure you'll find something you wished you hadn't missed out on.

If this is not the correct place for feedback of this type please move or delete this thread.

Edit to address a number of points:

It's correct to say that this is not the only example of things disappearing from player's reach in this game. I would like to think we all know that two wrongs do not make a right. In the same vein there are better ways to make things unique and rare than using scarcity of time to provide incentive and reward. A proper solution is additive and inclusive, not negative. The only exception is with IP that is not their own through crossover events. We have to forgive them for these things being limited, and to their credit they give us ample warning of this beforehand while also making an effort to return events from the past. I don't like it either, but I imagine it is good for Square to do this and they have been fair to keep previous rewards as events return. Garo is a perfect microcosm of this problem, people are excited to see it return and I guarantee you it's because they missed out on something the first time. Being excited for PvP because it has a fun new facelift and being excited because of FOMO are two very different things. The idea that there is a winner and a loser in PvP meaning FOMO is justified is simply short sighted. Using FOMO as an incentive structure to reward participation if the content can not stand on its own is not a good idea. People should be doing PvP because they want to, and we can all enjoy something fun together.

[Moonlite]

I would say it is a little early to say they are going with limited time rewards. You get rewards when you reach a certain level during a season, 6.1 to 6.2. But you also get a new currency. Knowing how much effort SE has recently put into creating new gear sets and such. I would wait to see if 6.1 rewards aren't moved to the new crystal vendor.



The only thing you are probably going to miss out on are titles/achievements. They can only ever have season 1. But again reducing the work load, don't be surprised if most achievements are generic and can be reused over and over. We had multiple firmament titles all be the same. And nothing is stopping them from rerunning those in a generic way.

[Zetlin]

I would say it is a little early to say they are going with limited time rewards. You get rewards when you reach a certain level during a season, 6.1 to 6.2. But you also get a new currency. Knowing how much effort SE has recently put into creating new gear sets and such. I would wait to see if 6.1 rewards aren't moved to the new crystal vendor.



The only thing you are probably going to miss out on are titles/achievements. They can only ever have season 1. But again reducing the work load, don't be surprised if most achievements are generic and can be reused over and over. We had multiple firmament titles all be the same. And nothing is stopping them from rerunning those in a generic way.

Y "If you didn't make it in time, you can still use these crystals to obtain the rewards for the previous series, they will stay for one additional patch but will be gone after that"

It seems that this is not the case, which is the entire reason I have made this thread to voice my dislike for it. I could agree with you that waiting would be best if it was not for that quote specifically from the translation of LL70. If it is not correct or not the full truth behind what was said I'd love to hear additional information.

[Kemiko]

I dislike it too, but let's not pretend they don't have rewards in the game that are time-gate exclusive that you can't even obtain on the mogstation. Items still in code from 1.x, event items from collaboration (I'm glad GARO is returning but there was no guarentee it would). Even events where once their next yearly incarnation releases it becomes a paid portion to acquire. PvP isn't the only area in the game with limited items.

I don't agree with it either and would prefer that all rewards in the game be achievable to all players rather than select players around at limited times.

[Ransu]

Limited items makes them unique. I have no problem with the concept.

[Iscah]

I hope that, at very least, the glamours are not too hard to obtain and the highest ranks are just for titles.

[RobynDaBank]

I think in this LL and previous ones they mentioned that they will provide a means to acquire rewards from preceding cycles. IDK, I'm no PvPer so I've no clue how the system works. Just passing the message.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I hope that, at very least, the glamours are not too hard to obtain and the highest ranks are just for titles.

...now now, gotta give high ranked players some incentive to keep playing.

[Iscah]

...now now, gotta give high ranked players some incentive to keep playing.

Only if they're actually going to use the rewards. I think I've seen someone wearing a PVP prize glamour about twice in four years of playing.

[RyuDragnier]

They had said in a previous LL that the new currency can be exchanged for previous "season" rewards. All you have to do to earn the currency is play the new PvP mode.