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  1. #11
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    Canadane's Avatar
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    King Canadane
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 100
    Overpower is the easiest to use. Those that say it's harder, I honestly don't know what you're doing during a pull.
    Every time I am on another tank, my warrior instincts tell me to use my AOE, but they end up hitting nothing sometimes because it doesn't require a target to use.

    While not the worst thing to adjust to and simply move an ilm closer to my target, the cone and target requirement of overpower is honestly worlds better when dashing in and needing to hit something. You have your circle AOE combo follow-up, so it's not like you CAN'T hit everything encircling you.

    My suggestion would be to change all the other AOEs to cones. Keeping their combo as circles.
    If they change overpower to a circle, it's honestly a nerf and yes I think WAR is a little too well kitted and OP right now, but this nerf is in the wrong spot.
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  2. #12
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    MiaShino's Avatar
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    Mia Shino
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Friends who enjoy Warrior would be most displeased by it becoming circle if it does.

    Easiest way to utilize Overpower - Body pull or pull with voke > wait for mobs to be behind you > Overpower backwards

    It is also fantastic aoe for catching stray mobs pulled by healers applying pre-pull regen.
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  3. #13
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    Reinhardt_Azureheim's Avatar
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    Reinhardt Azureheim
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    Alpha
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    Overpower is the easiest to use. Those that say it's harder, I honestly don't know what you're doing during a pull.
    Every time I am on another tank, my warrior instincts tell me to use my AOE, but they end up hitting nothing sometimes because it doesn't require a target to use.

    While not the worst thing to adjust to and simply move an ilm closer to my target, the cone and target requirement of overpower is honestly worlds better when dashing in and needing to hit something. You have your circle AOE combo follow-up, so it's not like you CAN'T hit everything encircling you.

    My suggestion would be to change all the other AOEs to cones. Keeping their combo as circles.
    If they change overpower to a circle, it's honestly a nerf and yes I think WAR is a little too well kitted and OP right now, but this nerf is in the wrong spot.
    Wouldn't be the first time SE caved into demands of "players of a job" to change something unique about them that is good to turn into just the same carbon copy of what every other job in their role has. Like Onslaught being turned into Plunge copy #3 after so long. I thought homogeny was generally throwned upon.

    I will dearly miss Onslaught with gauge cost from Shadowbringers for two reasons:

    - it was different that I used Onslaught when I needed to or within 10s of Inner Release, instead of "use twice during 60s cycle"
    - it actually made Lost Bloodrage in Bozja usable. Now it is borderline useless as you can no longer maintain Bloodrage with it since the recharge of Onslaught isn't affected by Bloodrage's cooldown reduction or by Lost Font of Skill, and Blood Rage itself is a 180s CD, hardly worth vs damage banners or Lost Font of Power.

    But hey, congrats to those who so badly needed to pull bosses with a gapcloser rather than using Tomahawk. You are still doing it wrong, even after being given the tools, but I hope you are happy with what you got.
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  4. #14
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    Faafetai's Avatar
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    Tai Natuia
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    Paladin Lv 85
    Was anyone even complaining about this? I know I have been annoyed with gunbreakers floaty feeling aoe before and how it seems more prone to missing mobs on an incline like stairs, but I just got use to how it worked. Is this really too much to ask players to do? Also did drk ever get its aoe changed from a spell so it doesn't have a longer cast time than its weaponskills? That would be the thing they should have been looking into. It may have changed since I have played drk last, but this and unmend were just painful when going from cast speed to skill speed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim View Post
    But hey, congrats to those who so badly needed to pull bosses with a gapcloser rather than using Tomahawk. You are still doing it wrong, even after being given the tools, but I hope you are happy with what you got.
    This statement made me cringe >.< I hate when tanks do that so much. Holy spirit will always be my favorite pull method I think. It lines up well with other casts if you time it right. It is so satisfying.
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    Last edited by Faafetai; 04-05-2022 at 04:13 PM.

  5. #15
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Faafetai View Post
    This statement made me cringe >.< I hate when tanks do that so much. Holy spirit will always be my favorite pull method I think. It lines up well with other casts if you time it right. It is so satisfying.
    There are cases where a bodypull or pulling with your gapcloser is beneficial but those cases are very limited and it usually has to do with buff alignment or phase change timing.

    Warrior always wanted to pull with Tomahawk for that exact reason, to delay your burst window by a GCD for better buff alignment and unless you needed to be a GCD earlier due to phase changes (E8S comes to mind where a bodypull and early IR allowed you to get a full 5 Fellcleave IR out right before addphase) you never wanted to pull with anything but Tomahawk.
    If you pepega plunge into the boss as your go-to way of pulling you're doing it wrong.
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    Last edited by Absurdity; 04-05-2022 at 05:33 PM.

  6. #16
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    Loki Corgi
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    Warrior Lv 100
    chad cone vs virgin circle
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  7. #17
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    Tai Natuia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    There are cases where a bodypull or pulling with your gapcloser is beneficial but those cases are very limited and it usually has to do with buff alignment or phase change timing.

    Warrior always wanted to pull with Tomahawk for that exact reason, to delay your burst window by a GCD for better buff alignment and unless you needed to be a GCD earlier due to phase changes (E8S comes to mind where a bodypull and early IR allowed you to get a full 5 Fellcleave IR out right before addphase) you never wanted to pull with anything but Tomahawk.
    If you pepega plunge into the boss as your go-to way of pulling you're doing it wrong.
    Aye thats what made me cringe, I was doing a farm for Tsukuyomi and the I went sage the tank would just instant pull every time and just keep the boss at the back of the arena. Sure you could do this to tag mobs in a pull, but it really throws some people off when the tank just yeet boys into a boss without warning as everyone is still loading in >.< I much prefer the ranged ability to pull so the statement that many people wished for onslaught to not be on the beast gauge due to this in particular makes me audibly sigh. I was glad for the change because it kind of wasn't fair every other tank got free ones, but if that is the main reason why...just why.
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  8. #18
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    Ziero Rehw-bidit
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Cone> Circle

    It makes grabbing incoming mobs a lot easier because it grabs them from a farther distance and they naturally funnel in to your cone shape as they run in.
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    Derio Uzumaki
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    Overpower backwards is the way. Run past them and overpower them backwards.
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    Sqwall Lionheart
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    I haven't had AoE on my hotbar for at least 4 months since savage came out. Didn't know that this was a problem.
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