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    Faafetai's Avatar
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    Tai Natuia
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 85
    Quote Originally Posted by Mesarthim View Post
    The hell kind of change is this? I made use of that cone a lot even in deep dungeons.
    Because little Timmy who yeeted overpower off of his hotbar because 'it wasn't popular in their rotation'(legitamately happened when a friend asked someone in keeper of the lake why they never used overpower) will now suddenly just start using it now that it is a circle. They honestly have no clue how dumb people are in this game. As they continue to attempt to help 'NEW' players they are really changing nothing for the people they are catering too. It is only people who have enjoyed playing that get to deal with dumb changes. The people who want these changes do not even play the game in the first place.
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    Kallis Cursmali
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    Ultros
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Faafetai View Post
    The people who want these changes do not even play the game in the first place.
    The problem is they play, and they played WAR for just long enough to get frustrated with OP, but never took the time to figure out how to properly position for it. And THAT'S only because no one cares about dungeons in the first place! So you have hardcore raiders, WAR mains even like Xenoxys, who just never bothered with it. It's just a shame because they removed a legitimate tool to appease a bunch of people that didn't understand it.
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    Shikaree Sinhunter
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    Hyperion
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    Warrior Lv 100
    The change is.... weird. I'm so used to pulling backwards with the cone (so i didnt have to pay attention). The circle makes the animation look really weird. Gonna be difficult getting used to though.
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    Elise D'lala
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    Moogle
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    Marauder Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Elkanah View Post
    The change is.... weird. I'm so used to pulling backwards with the cone (so i didnt have to pay attention). The circle makes the animation look really weird. Gonna be difficult getting used to though.
    It is weird and its hard to get used to! All these people used to circles dont realize that its just as hard to go to circles when youre used to cones. And if you wanted circle so bad just use mithril tampest,decimate, and steel cyclone O.o
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    Last edited by castillle; 04-14-2022 at 05:30 PM.

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    Rashavenir Vidofsormr
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    Sargatanas
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    As someone who actually got all tanks at least to lvl 80, the circle from Demon Slice and Total Eclipse just felt weird to me and I always just feel Overpower just felt the most natural to me, esp since I've used Warrior the longest and the cone is much more valuable over a small circle imo.

    But yes, please bring back the cone but also adding the visual effect from this new Overpower would help visualize the cone too. I am still not used to the new Overpower and I do not think I can ever reverse my muscle memory.
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    Last edited by fafrir; 04-15-2022 at 03:07 AM.

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    Renny Nanaya
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    Jenova
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    Astrologian Lv 97
    I remember all the way back in 2.x When Warrior's Overpower was beloved for making grabbing adds easier on bosses like Imdugud, because it had an even longer range than flash, and it had strong emnity generation. Since that day, Warrior has always had a connection with Overpower being a uniquely strong AoE compared to all the other tanks and changes that came after it.

    Removing the cone, whether you "like the change" or not, was still completely unasked for and only served to annoy the people who did like it. The people who didn't like it had other tanks to use, if they don't like warrior all because of just overpower, they can use them. Removing a unique aspect of a class is just an asinine thing to do, because it slowly sands off all the differences that endear it to players, until it plays like the others for the sake of "accessibility".
    Regardless, overpower isn't in PvP and it's no longer used in pretty much any end-game content (anymore) which makes an argument for balancing completely irrelevant, so changing it serves no actual purpose but to cause controversy. I'm firmly in the "just change it back" category.
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    Colt47's Avatar
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    Kan Himaa
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    Balmung
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    Gladiator Lv 100
    I tried the change and this definitely feels wrong. Xenosys made a video praising this whole thing and after trying it I feel like it is more of a nerf to warrior than a benefit. The overpower had better range than other tank AOEs at the cost of hitting things behind it. This new circle aoe actually reduced the effective area for the attack, since once you have the enemies around you it's childs play to hit all the targets.

    Maybe they want people to stop playing warrior? I'm hoping they can swap this back or boost the effective radius so it isn't a strait nerf. Not to mention the attack looks way less impressive now than it once did.

    Also I'm serious about the stop playing warrior part. I do think it is one of the easier tanks to play due to a number of reasons, including the aoe it once had.
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    Last edited by Colt47; 04-15-2022 at 09:26 AM.

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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Colt47 View Post
    I tried the change and this definitely feels wrong. Xenosys made a video praising this whole thing and after trying it I feel like it is more of a nerf to warrior than a benefit.
    I certainly wouldn't take his opinion as gospel, he probably doesn't particularly care about Overpower in the first place since he doesn't do dungeons.
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    Lomea I'ramaloce
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    Cerberus
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    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Absurdity View Post
    I certainly wouldn't take his opinion as gospel, he probably doesn't particularly care about Overpower in the first place since he doesn't do dungeons.
    Exactly, seems most people that "like" this change fall into two categories:
    * other tanks levelling WAR and not bothering to learn how to effectively use the cone
    * tanks that don't do dungeons (with WAR anyway)

    As an aside, others (non WAR) have started noticing as well. I've seen comments that mobs are easier to be missed and pulls are slower after this nerf.
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