6.1 Samurai

[IwantRice]

I also just recently made an forum account just to support them to not remove kaiten, and as u mentioned other sam mainers already pointed out why.
Started as a blackmage but when I got to level 50 I mained sam from then until Endwalker seing how they will remove kaiten is heartbreaking.

[Maikul]

Just came to the forums to add my complaint so I can say I did my part to try and save samurai! I just tried my rotation without using Hissatsu: Kaiten, holy crap it was boring, please don't break my main class like how boring and simple Summoner is. I felt like I was sitting there waiting for abilities to come off of cooldown when with Hissatsu: Kaiten at least I had something to use off the GCD.

[Jakulo]

The direction the devs been taking when it comes to job design has been one of my biggest fears for a while (drk main), and now it has become almost like an anxiety.

Since HW, the jobs seems to have only gotten easier and less complex with each expansion. That in itself is not a bad thing, since there were many elements that were needlessly complex but I’m scared that we are reaching a breaking point. How much simpler can jobs be at this point?

The official reason for removing kaiten is to reduce button bloat, but I can’t be the only one who thinks it’s a terrible idea to mess with a core rotational ability when we have shoha 2 as a separate ability. They removed seigan and merciful eye to reduce ability bloat only to add two new buttons and now we’re back at square one.

It honestly feels like the ability bloat is just an excuse to further simplify the job and now I’m just worried for every other job that might get gutted in the same way.

[Vercinotrix]

I personally can't wait until 7.0 when all of my jobs have 3 buttons and 2 cooldowns just like my favorite MMO WARLOWARCAR!!!!!!!!!

[SylviaCrystal]

I was planning on leveling SAM, but apparently it's getting the Dark Arts treatment, aka "this is spammy, so let's delete it from existence and oversimplify the job instead of, hum... making it less spammy"

[Telic]

First post here as well just to add onto the pile that think this is a bad move. Kaiten's been a part of SAM's kit for years, is very aesthetically pleasing, and adds a very stylish oomph to your big boy moves. It's something unique to SAM, and without it the job will lose a lot of its elegance visually and gameplay-flow wise, and that alone is enough to at least be wary of getting rid of it with nothing to fill its void. This is especially true when you consider there are better options to reduce bloat, like ogi namikiri/ikishoten merge for an obvious.

Meta talk and balancing aside, I think this just makes the job more.. boring, to play, to look at, and to manage (lol) your gauge. Just strange overall really, maybe squeenx and the 14 gang will notice people's reactions and reconsider at least.

[AnotherPerson]

Kaiten makes the animation flow well. Removing it seems so wrong.

It looks like we're entering the age where jobs are getting dumbed down and now feel worse to play just because of accessibility and convenience...

Now it looks like healers are not going to be the only ones affected. DPS will likely follow suit. R.I.P.

[Shuhannazy]

I personally can't wait until 7.0 when all of my jobs have 3 buttons and 2 cooldowns just like my favorite MMO WARLOWARCAR!!!!!!!!!

This made me choke LOL

[Shuhannazy]

Like most people here, I don't visit the forums often but I felt like this was something important.
I mained sam for 2 years before it became a ranged caster e.e
But I still love the job and kaiten is one of those reasons. Swinging that sword around before bursting that cast is not just about the complexity of the job but also about the feeling.
There are pages and pages of points on why to keep it, I just wanted to add that I agree. Some of these new buttons can be upgraded. Same with Astros king card.
Just make it make sense. I'm an idiot Warrior player, but this isn't quality of life or making it more simple. It's gutting it. Please stop.

[KurenXIV]

I've never posted on the forum before because I've largely been happy with XIV. . . . but this change is detrimental to the very foundation of what makes a Samurai a Samurai; so here I am adding my voice as a plea to SE to please not make this change.

I've been subbed and continually playing since ARR launched. I anticipated SAM since coming from FFXI and I couldn't have been happier with how it was implemented and felt in XIV. While SHB is still my favorite incarnation of SAM, I was always happy to see it largely unchanged as it meant, at it's core, SE was happy with the overall design.

Now, out of no where, we have a monumental change coming which people are clearly not happy with.

This is the sort of change that happens at an expansions launch, not in a patch for a core rotational move like Kaiten that has been around for years.

Lets say this happened at EW launch and the team replaced Kaiten with something more interesting, with as much flavor, flair and feel for the job as Kaiten, and made it work with the kit; then it might not be so bad.

But here we are, in a freaking content patch and the whole world is changing from underneath us with our meter now being used to dump into the least interesting move of the entire SAM kit, a sword poke.

Removing Kaiten breasks so many aspects of a SAM. It breaks the flow of our rotation, it breaks the link between our kenki guage and our sen guage, it breaks a core part of the fantasy and feel of the role, and it breaks many of the players will to stick with the role.

I love, LOVE how it feels to play a SAM and Kaiten is a huge part of that.

This may sound seriously silly or stupid, but reading about this change made me depressed. I lost all the urge to continue playing as this is something I've never really seen SE do for a role that isn't crying out for help, or buffs, or changes. SAM has always been in a good enough spot in each expansion, so it's just baffling as to why they would want to take away something so many people love.

Honestly, if this goes through I think 6.08 will be the end of my journey with this game as there's no other way to vote for change than with your wallet in these scenarios.

As an aside, thank you to everyone voicing their opinion about this. It's comforting to know so many people feel similarly, lets just hope the message is received and they listen.