Thread: 6.1 Samurai

Kaiten makes the animation flow well. Removing it seems so wrong.

It looks like we're entering the age where jobs are getting dumbed down and now feel worse to play just because of accessibility and convenience...

Now it looks like healers are not going to be the only ones affected. DPS will likely follow suit. R.I.P.

Like most people here, I don't visit the forums often but I felt like this was something important.
I mained sam for 2 years before it became a ranged caster e.e
But I still love the job and kaiten is one of those reasons. Swinging that sword around before bursting that cast is not just about the complexity of the job but also about the feeling.
There are pages and pages of points on why to keep it, I just wanted to add that I agree. Some of these new buttons can be upgraded. Same with Astros king card.
Just make it make sense. I'm an idiot Warrior player, but this isn't quality of life or making it more simple. It's gutting it. Please stop.

I've never posted on the forum before because I've largely been happy with XIV. . . . but this change is detrimental to the very foundation of what makes a Samurai a Samurai; so here I am adding my voice as a plea to SE to please not make this change.

I've been subbed and continually playing since ARR launched. I anticipated SAM since coming from FFXI and I couldn't have been happier with how it was implemented and felt in XIV. While SHB is still my favorite incarnation of SAM, I was always happy to see it largely unchanged as it meant, at it's core, SE was happy with the overall design.

Now, out of no where, we have a monumental change coming which people are clearly not happy with.

This is the sort of change that happens at an expansions launch, not in a patch for a core rotational move like Kaiten that has been around for years.

Lets say this happened at EW launch and the team replaced Kaiten with something more interesting, with as much flavor, flair and feel for the job as Kaiten, and made it work with the kit; then it might not be so bad.

But here we are, in a freaking content patch and the whole world is changing from underneath us with our meter now being used to dump into the least interesting move of the entire SAM kit, a sword poke.

Removing Kaiten breasks so many aspects of a SAM. It breaks the flow of our rotation, it breaks the link between our kenki guage and our sen guage, it breaks a core part of the fantasy and feel of the role, and it breaks many of the players will to stick with the role.

I love, LOVE how it feels to play a SAM and Kaiten is a huge part of that.

This may sound seriously silly or stupid, but reading about this change made me depressed. I lost all the urge to continue playing as this is something I've never really seen SE do for a role that isn't crying out for help, or buffs, or changes. SAM has always been in a good enough spot in each expansion, so it's just baffling as to why they would want to take away something so many people love.

Honestly, if this goes through I think 6.08 will be the end of my journey with this game as there's no other way to vote for change than with your wallet in these scenarios.

As an aside, thank you to everyone voicing their opinion about this. It's comforting to know so many people feel similarly, lets just hope the message is received and they listen.

I agree with the person above.
If they really wish for samurai's abilities to be guaranteed critical hits, why doesn't Kaiten simply get changed to:
->Makes the next weapon skill do critical damage.

The potency adjustments they worked on so far can be the same since they were adjusting to count for Kaiten's 50% more damage to be removed, but hey we can make everyone happy as Square Enix does listen to feedback right?

And for button bloat, how about removing Shoha 1, and increase the damage on Shoha 2?
Or making Ikishoten turn into Ogi Namikiri when used?

Like many others here, I created this forum account just to speak my mind on the 6.1 SAM changes. As someone who started raiding with SAM and has continued playing SAM ever since, I have been pretty satisfied with SAM's gameplay in EW as a whole. The 6.1 change however feels like a rug's been pulled out from under my feet. I'm not posting to criticize the devs; I think they've done a wonderful job with this game. Just wanted to put some thoughts out there for discussion and possibly consideration.

I have very little to say about kaiten that has not already been said in this thread. Kaiten feels iconic and to me, is an absolutely essential part of SAM's job identity. If button bloat is the identified problem, then there are many other candidates who are more egregious offenders (ie shoha/shoha 2, ikishoten/namikiri, and I would argue senei and guren could potentially be merged into a single button with high potency on single target and dps falloff on subsequent targets a la double down and shadowbringer).

As for the autocrit changes, I understand where the devs were coming from in trying to reduce the crit variance on SAM's heavier hitting skills. This might be motivated by trying to make SAM's dps more independent from stacking crit % raidbuffs and to increase SAM's overall average DPS output.

After some thinking on what could have been done to better address the dev's overall concerns in making these changes, my proposed solution is as such:
1. Keep kaiten, but change its effect to: increase potency of next iaijutsu by 50% and increasing its base crit % to 40-50% - I'm not too minded about removing the potency buff and moving the potency over to iaijutsu potency, but I think having kaiten give a base crit chance which stacks with crit% raidbuffs is a nice balance which achieves the goals of reducing crit % variance while allowing SAM to remain synergistic with raid buff comps + allowing us to continue enjoying kaiten. I also have considered that in order for shinten to remain relevant over kaiten, this effect should be limited to solely iaijutsu;
2. Ditch shoha, keep shoha 2 but change the effect to higher single target potency with aoe potency falloff;
3. Same as 2 for senei and guren; and
4. Ikishoten into namikiri.

I understand that some of the changes might already be set in stone for the 6.1 patch release, but I sincerely hope that our voices in this thread will be seen and considered for a future 6.1x patch. Am interested in seeing what other players might have to say about my suggestions and I'm hoping this thread can be filled with some constructive feedback for the Dev team to possibly work off.

This is the first time I've needed to post in support of reverting proposed changes since I started playing FFXIV. Please don't go down the route Blizzard has done, in slowly simplifying jobs to the point that they're dull and mindless to play. Kaiten is an essential skill; firstly because without it Kenki is pretty much pointless, and secondly since it breaks up downtime between the extremely slow GCD wait period. Removing it lowers the skill threshold of the class. Please don't think less of your players and simplify jobs. I urge a reevaluation of these changes.

I never posted on the official forum but they really need to reconsider the removal of Kaiten. It really is a role defining skill. The idea of removing it is really a terrible idea.

Kaiten is pointless and is only a flavour animation and I've thought this from day one. There isn't a time you don't use it before an iajustu cast and all combos give 20 kenki. This change is nice. But the animation is pretty and I would hope they would make it so you would do the animation during the cast bar of your iajustu. Then you get to do the kaiten in spirit and do more shintens.