Thread: 6.1 Samurai

Instead of removing buttons and syncing classes. If YoshiP Plans to sync every class, Change Battle Litany, ChainStrat, and Devilment to Crit Damage instead of Crit Rate and give every class a guaranteed crit (Since this is what they did for WAR and SAM making it non beneficial for DRG,SCH and DNC). Also, just add Shoha I Potency to Shoha II. Make Ikishoten and Oginamikiri 1 Button. Remove Guren already and add it to Senei. And lastly, BRING BACK KAITEN. SAM feels stupid now without Kaiten. Imagine a WAR without the Inner Release animation. We played SAM cause its damn cool when you whirl your sword before doing the big peepo damage. Removing it feels like it lacks aesthetics.

Originally Posted by SlickPaws

Midare Setsugekka potency has been reduced from 660 to 600.
Kaeshi: Setsugekka potency has been reduced from 990 to 600.
Ogi Namikiri potency has been reduced from 900 to 800.
Kaeshi: Namikiri potency has been reduced from 1,350 to 800.

These 4 lines pretty much say it all. I don't quite understand the logic of making the Kaeshi continuations no more potent than the original attacks. It's not like the extra crit damage is going to make up for the fact they're the same potency. So it really look like Kaeshi are just going to be extra buttons you press because they're there and not because you actually *want* to because of the previously huge numbers.

In the end, it's technically a 3(!) DPS loss at best, and a 3% loss at worst with the changes. Crit scaling takes a hit though, so it might get worse in the longer run, but then perhaps they will adjust the potencies accordingly in the next patch/hotfix.

Originally Posted by Arrius

In the end, it's technically a 3(!) DPS loss at best, and a 3% loss at worst with the changes. Crit scaling takes a hit though, so it might get worse in the longer run, but then perhaps they will adjust the potencies accordingly in the next patch/hotfix.

The only good thing they can do is either revert changes completly or revert and also adjust potencies so crit vs no crit on 2 mins will not be massive.

Originally Posted by Arrius

but then perhaps they will adjust the potencies accordingly in the next patch/hotfix.

If they need to resort to something like this to keep up with scaling, then the changes were not good.

Keep being vocal about it, Yoshida seem'd kinda distraught by peoples reactions and said they'd look at the feedback to the changes and might revert it.

Originally Posted by Kolsykol

Yoshida ... said they'd look at the feedback to the changes and might revert it.

/doubt

bet all we'll get is a "please understand" this time around. or maybe he'll tell us to "go play ultimate" like the healers. hell they'll probably just look at wherever the heck they got their "pls remove kaiten" feedback and just say that everything is fine and dandy.

Originally Posted by Luin

Ah, we have too many buttons. Too much button bloat.

How to handle this?

Should we upgrade Shoha1 into Shoha2?

Should we combine Ikishoten and Ogi Namikiri? You can't press Ogi Namikiri without pressing Ikishoten. No.

Should we combine Senei and Guren? Double Down or Stardiver or Primal Rend or Ogi Namikiri don't have single-target versions. No.

Should we combine Shinten and Kyuten? Like the above; also Spirits Within was upgraded to an AoE. No.

Should we combine Iajutsu and Tsubame-Gaeshi? You can never use 2 Iajutsu in a row. No.

No, let's remove a job mechanic, let's remove Kaiten. Fantastic idea.

100% agree. This simplification of jobs is a bad sign for the future. I've seen it happen in multiple MMOs now and in all of them the classes are just some homogenised goo who all do the same thing but in different colours.