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[ricey]

You wouldn't really be okay with a police officer coming to arrest you for breaking the NEW law that was put in place today, because what you did YESTERDAY goes against it, would you?

This is a false equivalence. No one is asking for people with multiple houses to, say, have their account banned. I wouldn't call what Elevin proposed "punishment."

[Elevin]

Oh boy. This again..

Listen. I get it. You're upset. But (on average) the players owning multiple plots played by the rules when they got them. As such, they should not be punished. In terms of FC-housing, plenty of FCs can share the same 5-digit tag. While that isn't much of a defense to certain groups, it could just as easily be people changing their tag to add fuel to the fire. (Sadly, I am bringing this up as people are indeed that petty.)

You wouldn't really be okay with a police officer coming to arrest you for breaking the NEW law that was put in place today, because what you did YESTERDAY goes against it, would you? That just seems outright backwards.

And, for the record, if you're buying House-only Materials, despite not owning a house, that's on you. Don't claim that SE is bad because you bought something you can't use, despite knowing you can't use it.

lol. So what that they played by the rules, this is a live service game that is constantly evolving. The playerbase has increased drastically and the fact is that housing is an important aspect of this game. The rules changed and the devs should apply it...to everyone equally, not let the older players/accounts keep all their properties just because the rules changed. The devs can make 1 person unhappy to make hundreds of players happy, whom are also paying 100s of times the subscription price, expansion price of the individual who owns multiple plots. They should be catering to the majority, not the very slim minority.

The fact that I have now managed to acquire both an FC house and personal house has only made me angrier at this whole situation regarding the incompetence of the devs over the housing system and the reluctance to enforce their own rules. There are A LOT of players who want to take part in the housing game and cannot due a plethora of issues, one being the whole "grandfathering aspect".

[LaylaTsarra]

lol. So what that they played by the rules.

Decision to grandfather has been made. So what if you don't like it. Pretty obvious trying to get you to understand that a company keeping trust with its users and not retroactively changing them would do any good in your case. Tell you what come back when you see it in the patch notes but I wouldn't hold your breath.

[Elevin]

Decision to grandfather has been made. So what if you don't like it. Pretty obvious trying to get you to understand that a company keeping trust with its users and not retroactively changing them would do any good in your case. Tell you what come back when you see it in the patch notes but I wouldn't hold your breath.

Then the devs shouldn't change anything in this game, instead, they completely changed how one of the classes (summoner) worked for Endwalker, that's not keeping trust with users. They pick and choose as and when they keep trust with their users. Maybe you are so ardent to defend this practice since you are one of the said users who owns multiple properties. But regardless, it could be considered incredibly selfish to have an individual with multiple properties when there is literally a housing crisis in the game, especially as said properties gatekeep content from players and enable property owners to get rich(er) through artificially limiting supply of resources to those whom are lucky enough to own said properties. When endwalker released, I distinctly recall Thavnairian onions being 500k each on my server... an item only home owners can grow.

[Kenky]

This is a false equivalence. No one is asking for people with multiple houses to, say, have their account banned. I wouldn't call what Elevin proposed "punishment."

I'm sorry, what?

You're trying to say that people who own multiple houses.. Should lose them, as YOU don't consider that a punishment? Things they earned through legitimate channels and SE stating they aren't going to touch them. Repeatedly. will not be touched. Period. End sentence.

Y'all need to drop it. Honestly..

And to your end, I can pretty much assume there are people who want house-hoarders to be banned. The delusions are getting worse and ignoring SE's official stance on it will not change matters.

[LaylaTsarra]

But regardless, it could be considered incredibly selfish

Oh the selfish card. Got it. And yes I do own multiple houses on multiple servers and yes I do follow the rules. You don't have to like it. What is selfish it trying to take away things from people who followed the rules.

You don't get it and obviously won't but the bottom line is you don't make the rules or the decisions.

I'm sorry, what?

You're trying to say that people who own multiple houses.. Should lose them, as YOU don't consider that a punishment? Things they earned through legitimate channels and SE stating they aren't going to touch them. Repeatedly. will not be touched. Period. End sentence.

Y'all need to drop it. Honestly..[/B]

They don't get it really and SE does so I'll go with the company and it's decisions when it comes to housing.

[Elevin]

Ah, it makes sense now, the forums are full of people who would be affected by this change banging their pots and pans loud. Looks like we'll need to start a movement so that the devs delete your houses then The more people that complain on the forums about this, the more likely the devs will change the rules

[LaylaTsarra]

Ah, it makes sense now, the forums are full of people who would be affected by this change banging their pots and pans loud. Looks like we'll need to start a movement so that the devs delete your houses then The more people that complain on the forums about this, the more likely the devs will change the rules

Not really. You can make all the noise you want but SE won't break that trust with users. They do not and will not retroactively apply rules to people taking things away.

And the forum and the game are not filled with people who own grandfathered homes on the same server I might add but there are plenty who do own FC's and privates where they're got alts playing the game on other servers and data centers. That is still allowed if you haven't noticed maybe try reading the new rules again more closely.

I suspect with you the rules will always be a goalpost you will want to move when it suits your agenda.

[Nepentha]

Ah, it makes sense now, the forums are full of people who would be affected by this change banging their pots and pans loud. Looks like we'll need to start a movement so that the devs delete your houses then The more people that complain on the forums about this, the more likely the devs will change the rules

People have been banging pots and pans about this for years and SE has been pretty stalwart about it. Multiple house ownership wasn't against the rules back then. And apples and oranges comparisons to other things SE has changed over the years is disingenuous.

How about you bang those pots and pans to get the devs to work on something that would actually alleviate the housing debacle. Like more housing, instanced housing increases. Making it so everyone has access to housing whether you're a new player or one that's been around since 1.0. Something other than this incessant 'I want you to take things away from people!' mantra.

And before you assume, no. My FC has 1 house. I own 1 personal.

[Elevin]

Not really. You can make all the noise you want but SE won't break that trust with users. They do not and will not retroactively apply rules to people taking things away.

I don't think you read my post properly earlier. They already have broken trust with users multiple times. You're not special, especially when the devs have to start making the difficult choices.

On a side note, i ask you this question. Do you recognise the fact that you yourself owning property has put you in a unique position in which you are able to get incredibly wealthy due to having access to the gatekept content?

Secondly, do you think it's fair that you are able to get rich off this feature whilst other players have no chance of being self sufficient and have to instead rely on home owners?