Please turn on Auto-Demo again?

[Jojoya]

I doubt SE wants to police how people use their houses.

They don't. They leave it to players to decide how they will use their house (or even not use it) within the design of the system.

That brings in the flaw that Kenky references - now there's an increased demands for house ownership by players who don't want to use a house. They only want the presumed prestige that comes with ownership, or to deny another player a chance to get a house.

[ricey]

You wouldn't really be okay with a police officer coming to arrest you for breaking the NEW law that was put in place today, because what you did YESTERDAY goes against it, would you?

This is a false equivalence. No one is asking for people with multiple houses to, say, have their account banned. I wouldn't call what Elevin proposed "punishment."

[Kenky]

This is a false equivalence. No one is asking for people with multiple houses to, say, have their account banned. I wouldn't call what Elevin proposed "punishment."

I'm sorry, what?

You're trying to say that people who own multiple houses.. Should lose them, as YOU don't consider that a punishment? Things they earned through legitimate channels and SE stating they aren't going to touch them. Repeatedly. will not be touched. Period. End sentence.

Y'all need to drop it. Honestly..

And to your end, I can pretty much assume there are people who want house-hoarders to be banned. The delusions are getting worse and ignoring SE's official stance on it will not change matters.

[Elevin]

Oh boy. This again..

Listen. I get it. You're upset. But (on average) the players owning multiple plots played by the rules when they got them. As such, they should not be punished. In terms of FC-housing, plenty of FCs can share the same 5-digit tag. While that isn't much of a defense to certain groups, it could just as easily be people changing their tag to add fuel to the fire. (Sadly, I am bringing this up as people are indeed that petty.)

You wouldn't really be okay with a police officer coming to arrest you for breaking the NEW law that was put in place today, because what you did YESTERDAY goes against it, would you? That just seems outright backwards.

And, for the record, if you're buying House-only Materials, despite not owning a house, that's on you. Don't claim that SE is bad because you bought something you can't use, despite knowing you can't use it.

lol. So what that they played by the rules, this is a live service game that is constantly evolving. The playerbase has increased drastically and the fact is that housing is an important aspect of this game. The rules changed and the devs should apply it...to everyone equally, not let the older players/accounts keep all their properties just because the rules changed. The devs can make 1 person unhappy to make hundreds of players happy, whom are also paying 100s of times the subscription price, expansion price of the individual who owns multiple plots. They should be catering to the majority, not the very slim minority.

The fact that I have now managed to acquire both an FC house and personal house has only made me angrier at this whole situation regarding the incompetence of the devs over the housing system and the reluctance to enforce their own rules. There are A LOT of players who want to take part in the housing game and cannot due a plethora of issues, one being the whole "grandfathering aspect".

[LaylaTsarra]

lol. So what that they played by the rules.

Decision to grandfather has been made. So what if you don't like it. Pretty obvious trying to get you to understand that a company keeping trust with its users and not retroactively changing them would do any good in your case. Tell you what come back when you see it in the patch notes but I wouldn't hold your breath.

[Elevin]

Decision to grandfather has been made. So what if you don't like it. Pretty obvious trying to get you to understand that a company keeping trust with its users and not retroactively changing them would do any good in your case. Tell you what come back when you see it in the patch notes but I wouldn't hold your breath.

Then the devs shouldn't change anything in this game, instead, they completely changed how one of the classes (summoner) worked for Endwalker, that's not keeping trust with users. They pick and choose as and when they keep trust with their users. Maybe you are so ardent to defend this practice since you are one of the said users who owns multiple properties. But regardless, it could be considered incredibly selfish to have an individual with multiple properties when there is literally a housing crisis in the game, especially as said properties gatekeep content from players and enable property owners to get rich(er) through artificially limiting supply of resources to those whom are lucky enough to own said properties. When endwalker released, I distinctly recall Thavnairian onions being 500k each on my server... an item only home owners can grow.

[Elevin]

I am rich and I didn't make my fortune with housing (gardening or airships/subs) I did by gather/selling mats for the longest time. Honest hard work with many hours spent gathering and selling. I could buy an entire ward with spare change if I decided to not follow the rules. I retired back in 4.2 so I don't need a house to make money sorry to disappoint. Try again.

That's even worse...you're taking up multiple plots, not gardening or selling to market thus reducing supply in turn further increasing the prices of products meaning that non home owners have to pay a lot more money.

[LaylaTsarra]

That's even worse...you're taking up multiple plots, not gardening or selling to market thus reducing supply in turn further increasing the prices of products meaning that non home owners have to pay a lot more money.

Oh I didn't know you were the morality police. Tell me do you have a discord where people can check in to be sure what they do meets with your approval before proceeding? The rules aren't good enough we need you to approve of our actions before proceeding.

Do you have specific gardening layout and interior decorating specs too that people need to follow in order to be worthy of owning that house.

And gardening and airship and sub use is an optional feature. Does one have a choice in what they plant and how often cause it would be bad to do stuff you don't quite approve of. BTW I didn't see anywhere in the rules that gardening and workshop activity was required for house purchases. Workshops are also an optional purchase one does not need to buy a workshop to own a FC house. Once you put up an estate hall the option to buy a workshop exists just like the option to buy a FC room.

[Elevin]

Oh I didn't know you were the morality police. Tell me do you have a discord where people can check in to be sure what they do meets with your approval before proceeding? The rules aren't good enough we need you to approve of our actions before proceeding.

Do you have specific gardening layout and interior decorating specs too that people need to follow in order to be worthy of owning that house.

And gardening and airship and sub use is an optional feature. Does one have a choice in what they plant and how often cause it would be bad to do stuff you don't quite approve of. BTW I didn't see anywhere in the rules that gardening and workshop activity was required for house purchases. Workshops are also an optional purchase one does not need to buy a workshop to own a FC house. Once you put up an estate hall the option to buy a workshop exists just like the option to buy a FC room.

True true, it's just ironic that you come here defending the old system still in place for a select few which makes it worse for other players, then you guys say that you aren't the problem even though you are taking up more housing than the current rules allow and not even contributing to the rest of the community. Even if for example there are only 500 houses on the old rules on each server, that's literally thousands of players that could have access to a house.

And it's not like you guys are going around making posts telling SE to add more housing, all you defenders do is try and deflect the issue and say that you aren't a problem when you clearly are part of the problem. And as you know, SE have struggled to actually buy Servers and associated gear plus the cost of them, coupled with the shortage of components for other reasons such as factories going down due to other events, So the only viable option is to release housing from people who own it pre rule change.

[ricey]

I'm sorry, what?

You're trying to say that people who own multiple houses.. Should lose them, as YOU don't consider that a punishment? Things they earned through legitimate channels and SE stating they aren't going to touch them. Repeatedly. will not be touched. Period. End sentence.

Y'all need to drop it. Honestly..

And to your end, I can pretty much assume there are people who want house-hoarders to be banned. The delusions are getting worse and ignoring SE's official stance on it will not change matters.

I actually didn't say whether I think that those people should lose their houses or not. I just pointed out that comparing that to being arrested is a false equivalence.

And yeah, them losing their houses wouldn't fall under the definition of punishment in the traditional sense, i.e. "the infliction or imposition of a penalty as retribution for an offense."

I think it's comparable to the implementation of the auto-demo system. When people originally bought a house, the house wasn't subject to the system; they would be able to keep it forever. Now their house can be taken away from them. It