What's you method of play?

[arlee]

Cross class abilities. Accomplice on ranged DD, Warmonger, and with the Intimidation trait. Ferocity II, Raging Strike II, Hawk's Eye, Profundity II, and Blood Rite II all do a ton of threat as well.

yeah you've used all those moves, now what? you just stand out of range and wait for buffs to reset and recast? How are you holding hate w/o any attacks. Those buffs do generate alot of hate and you can accomplice other people but from what I know accomplice doesn't take all the hate from a player it just takes a portion.

Kind of a waste for a pug to tank if you've got a tham they can do the same thing and do damage at the same time, your role would be better off doing DD on Dodore & Minions instead of tanking.

Who said that was my tanking gear? Pugs are not the best single target tanks and not the best aoe tanks, I have no reason to tank as pug other than Dodore and what I wear isn't far from the best mdef pugs can get.

never said that was your tank gear, fact is it stinks for tank or DD gear. Pug are not the best single target tanks but I'll say they do better on single target than groups. What reason do you have to be a tank for Dodore? Tham can do the same thing and do dots and spells, while as a pug your just standing there and doing nothing but spamming buffs that you are not going to do anything with and doing 0 dmg at the same time

[Honz]

yeah you've used all those moves, now what? you just stand out of range and wait for buffs to reset and recast? How are you holding hate w/o any attacks. Those buffs do generate alot of hate and you can accomplice other people but from what I know accomplice doesn't take all the hate from a player it just takes a portion.

Kind of a waste for a pug to tank if you've got a tham they can do the same thing and do damage at the same time, your role would be better off doing DD on Dodore & Minions instead of tanking.



never said that was your tank gear, fact is it stinks for tank or DD gear. Pug are not the best single target tanks but I'll say they do better on single target than groups. What reason do you have to be a tank for Dodore? Tham can do the same thing and do dots and spells, while as a pug your just standing there and doing nothing but spamming buffs that you are not going to do anything with and doing 0 dmg at the same time

Obviously you've never been in a Dodore fight, all we have sometimes is just 2 archers and hes downed in less than 15 mins. Our gladiator does the same thing when he distance tanks Dodore with the exception of spamming wardrum.

Before you start criticizing my gear prove that you even know what you're talking about. I have Tarred Leather Trousers and Bucc's boots believe me its such a minor detail it does nearly nothing.

Not really about proficiency considering how Dodore spawns my LS gets whoever is on and goes out to kill him some times there isn't a glad so any person who can hold aoe threat will do. NMs are a real pushover and Dodore being the easiest of them, my point is Glad, Pug, Thm, Mrd, heck even Lnc with enough mnd and mdef gear can tank Dodore. Apart from Thms who can solo dodore I've personally seen people do it with as few as 3 people and no thm.

[Honz]

I know that but as a pug how are you holding hate on all of them if you are not in melee range?



you can pretty much disregard what he says, i know right now stats don;t really matter that much with how they are working but why in the world would you gimp yourself just so your outfit matches. Boggles me sometimes how some people think looks>stats

Who said that was my tanking gear? Pugs are not the best single target tanks and not the best aoe tanks, I have no reason to tank as pug other than Dodore and what I wear isn't far from the best mdef pugs can get.

[Meleena]

disabling is just paralyze and poison, no clue what smothering inflicts. but the proc rate seems pretty decent.
Your HQ bagnakhs beat out a NQ cesti, thats why you have to get a HQ cesti or hora. Used my reg disablings on NMs seems they did lower dmg compared to the other knuckles

If the proc rate is decent like you say and the effect is potent enough, then I believe that this effect alone makes this the better weapon even if Peiste +1 is a bit stronger.
I have not tested this myself (Only 45R atm) but it sounds good in theory :P

[Meleena]

Please do test!
Smothering sound interesting too!
These weapon effects are more than worth the little damage you lose from peiste I believe.

[Honz]

I'm usually a DD on my pug on NM fights my stats are in my sig.
I switch between Arc and Pug with my current stats and drop 20 dex for vit when playing as Mrd because i get asked to tank mosshorn as Mrd.

Gear:
Weapon: Peiste Cesti +1
Head: Silver Torcorne
Body: Bucc's Shirt
Waist: Bucc's Sash
Legs: Velveteen Sarouel +1 (matches bucc shirt)
Feet: Toadskin Crakows (matches bucc set)

I don't believe the added effects from disabling or smothering baghs are worth using over higher rank weapons.
Usually there are thaums debuffing the NMs on most fights and the debuffs don't stack and any lesser mobs the debuff wouldn't be worth using

[Meleena]

The stats that matter to me, are not shown in the Sig :P
Also yeah maybe on NMs the debuffing weapons might not be better for debuffing purposes, but can you please tell me the difference between Disabling and Peiste or Jade hora in damage on NMs?

[Iggy]

HP: 1112
MP: 581

Strength: 100
Vitality: 110
Dexterity: 80
Intelligence: 80
Mind: 80
Piety: 40

Since point costs increase as you hit certain tiers (40, 80, ???) I wanted to maximize the amount of points I used. So bring everything up to 40, then the stats most important to me (STR,VIT,DEX,MND) to 80, then dump remaining points evenly into STR and VIT.

This way, even if I want to switch to being a mage, I won't be terribly gimp, and I can heal decently.

But seriously, they need to do away with this stat nonsense and make each class have its own stat progression chart like XI had.

Weapon: Peiste Cesti
Head: Skull eyepatch
Body: Toadskin Harness (Black)
Waist: Tarred Voyager's Belt
Legs: Tarred Leather Trouser's (Brown) (But are a brown/black combo like the toadskin harness)
Feet: Armored Caligae (Black)

Black leather, ftw!

[Veridian]

My method on soloing is to start with light jab and then pile up on eva buff, then counter the living daylights out of whatever is trying to hit me. All gear aimed at eva+ ...for tanking I start with spells (yes, spells xD) especially absorb acc, eva, tp, ..everything I used while ranking THM seems to get me killed so I thought why not do the same for threat. Works quite well when aoe tanking, so long as I do not let light jab buff drop.

[Takomunch]

HP:1794 ( Use acorn cookies +3 i get from goblins to 1920 HP )
MP:373

STR: 174
VIT: 101
DEX: 170

Weapon: Peiste Cesti +2
Head: Silver Tricorne +1
Body: Toadskin Harness (Black) +1
Hands: Reinforced Iron Mitt Gloves +1
Belt: Boarskin Belt +1
Legs: Velveteen kecks +1
Feet: Buccaneer's Boots
Undewear: +1 Top +1 Bottom

Rings: 3x Garnet

Attack: 152
Accuracy: 172
Defense: 353
Magic Defense: 361
Evasion: 188

Elemental Affinities: 84 all

I have to admit the evasion scene isn't as grand as I had hoped for. with earrings I'm well into the 190's and i did notice the severe diminishing returns on str and the such, Looking to see if a more balanced setup would be more beneficial. I'm looking to do some testing in the near future ( Hopefully they fix stats soon ).

I have went with defense heavy, compared with pugilist who swear by defense and the differences in damage intake isn't that drastic, but then again. the evasion they don't have vs the evasion that I do doesn't hold the candle as much as I'd hope. I still prefer an evasive setup and the lack of HP hasn't really taken me out of the picture in the tanking scene ( World NMs ).

On non NMs its quite noticeable if you keep light strike up, if a concussive blow is on the mob to further compound the good base evasion ( If dex really does help evasion proc ). Sometimes it feels like Dex is eva proc, where evasion is the misses that occur. What do you guys think? Great topic too lots of stuff I have been wondering myself on how other pugilists carry themselves ^^/