Can we just end ALL demolishion pauses forever?

[deadman1204]

There will ALWAYS be something bad happening SOMEWHERE in the world. Stopping ALL housing demolision because someone somewhere might be disadvantaged is really disheartening. It basically turns off housing for 99% of the game because those who never log in still hold their land.

[Jennah]

That's something they'd need to announce during a period when housing isn't paused.

I agree that, in general, they are pausing demolitions too often and for too long. Something needs to be done about it, but I'm not sure what.

I imagine it's not possible from SE's behavior, but one thing that would help would be to target them more exactly; perhaps this time it would have been possible only to pause demolitions on accounts registered to Ukraine and the surrounding areas?

Another possible solution would be something like allowing the demolition to take place, but giving anyone who logged in within a month of their home's demolition the ability to skip the housing lottery (and building a new ward or two when they'd normally have un-paused).
Of course that wouldn't jibe with the whole 'neighborhood' thinking the devs have, which frankly pretty much exists only in their minds...

[Equitable_Remedy]

There will ALWAYS be something bad happening SOMEWHERE in the world.

Bless your heart.

[Liam_Harper]

Holding players houses hostage if they take a break from the game is a terrible system anyway, especially when it's because they refused to do instanced housing despite having no way to keep up with the demand of an entire player base.

"Well, we'll never have the server space for our unrealistic system, so to band-aid that we'll blow your house up if you take a break". Great.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Holding players houses hostage if they take a break from the game is a terrible system anyway, especially when it's because they refused to do instanced housing despite having no way to keep up with the demand of an entire player base.

"Well, we'll never have the server space for our unrealistic system, so to band-aid that we'll blow your house up if you take a break". Great.

Housing was originally FC only. When they saw that most of the wards were empty, they decided to just add the player housing to the FC wards, since they planned on having the separate at the start, but having a lot of empty space is a waste.

After it filled once it went to everyone, the PLAYERS asked for a demo system after a period of time, because players were perma quitting the game and owning houses.

[Risvertasashi]

Housing was originally FC only. When they saw that most of the wards were empty, they decided to just add the player housing to the FC wards, since they planned on having the separate at the start, but having a lot of empty space is a waste.

After it filled once it went to everyone, the PLAYERS asked for a demo system after a period of time, because players were perma quitting the game and owning houses.

It's a bit disingenuous to blame the demo system on players. Yes, players asked for it, like we asked for the lottery system. It's a band aid fix on a terrible system that will never have anywhere close to 'sufficient' capacity for meeting players' desires.

Almost everyone that's advocated for those things would rather have a system where they're simply not necessary. However, since SE is incredibly stubborn about sticking with it, it leaves us players with the only real practical option being to suggest which bandaids will make the bulletholes bleed a tiny bit less. Because SE might actually do those, but definitely won't give us better underlying system no matter how much we ask.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It's a bit disingenuous to blame the demo system on players. Yes, players asked for it, like we asked for the lottery system. It's a band aid fix on a terrible system that will never have anywhere close to 'sufficient' capacity for meeting players' desires.

Almost everyone that's advocated for those things would rather have a system where they're simply not necessary. However, since SE is incredibly stubborn about sticking with it, it leaves us players with the only real practical option being to suggest which bandaids will make the bulletholes bleed a tiny bit less. Because SE might actually do those, but definitely won't give us better underlying system no matter how much we ask.

I'm not blaming anyone, I'm explaining the sequence of events to players who probably weren't around 8 years ago or so.

[Stepjam]

It's a bit disingenuous to blame the demo system on players. Yes, players asked for it, like we asked for the lottery system. It's a band aid fix on a terrible system that will never have anywhere close to 'sufficient' capacity for meeting players' desires.

Almost everyone that's advocated for those things would rather have a system where they're simply not necessary. However, since SE is incredibly stubborn about sticking with it, it leaves us players with the only real practical option being to suggest which bandaids will make the bulletholes bleed a tiny bit less. Because SE might actually do those, but definitely won't give us better underlying system no matter how much we ask.

Well I feel like the only way we'll get a system where everyone can have a house was if they moved to individual instanced houses. Housing wards are actually kinda server intensive. You have a pretty large area with about 30 unique houses, each with front yard stuff that can be configured in all sorts of imaginable ways. And the game has to keep track of all of this as long as the housing instance is open. And as long as at least one person is AFKing somewhere within the instance, the game has to continue to keep track of everything. And I dunno about most FCs, but mine basically always has at least someone hanging out in front of the house which means our ward basically is always in action. Now imagine that every single ward is like this, and the game has to keep track of every piece of furniture in front of every single house on every single ward potentially 100% of the time. That's a fair amount of server power.
And the reason individual houses would likely fix that is that the game only ever has to keep track of one house per instance and MOST people don't AFK in front of their homes, meaning every single home that doesn't have someone in front of it can easily be cycled out. Which leads to a lot less server stress. I think this system would allow everyone to get a house, but we are a few expansions too deep into the game to get an overhaul like that without pissing off a lot of players unless they did both. I know there are rumors that the hidden islands are gonna allow for individual housing, so maybe that'll put a relative end to this. We can only hope.

[Dzian]

Housing was originally FC only. When they saw that most of the wards were empty, they decided to just add the player housing to the FC wards, since they planned on having the separate at the start, but having a lot of empty space is a waste.

The problem was housing was designed for a very community focussed game. where groups of players would form free companies and build houses and run contents unlock big FC perks like the ability to summon a primal and change the sky when you did.. your FC summoned Ifrit in the shorud,, the sky across the shroud would be set ablaze in flames. or any number of other FC based content or activities building stronger bonds between members.

However FFXIV is not community focussed it's very much solo focussed. and for that reason most Free companies fell apart.. there was no FC content, no large scale group activiites that everyone could be included in. everything was either 4 or 8 people and as such it drove wedges between players and pushed them apart. This is why Free companies have basically been nothing more than a glorified chat channel basically for ever.

So then smaller groups of playersstarted making smaller fcs but these smaller fcs with only 4 or 6 members couldn't afford to buy a fc house even if they wanted one and thats why the wards were so empty... They were designed to build and foster a community or neighbourhood in a game that does everything it can to discourage group play and be a single player rpg..

you cant even do the msq with friends game will shout at you. "you can't progress because you're in a party" even if everyone is on the same quest... even the duty finder.. because if the game was built around communities and groups the duty finder would be dead. people would only ever play with there friends or fcs.

if the game encouraged and promoted group play and actually designed content for FC's and stuff to do toghether (i mean it is an MMO) instead of trying to be a single player game.. I'd honestly bet there would be no housing criss. but to try and push a community feature in a solo orientated game...was doomed straight away..

The demo system sucks though it has spent more time out of action than it has in action. So it really doesn't help anyone. It's been suspended 7 times that i could find 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

I'm all for removing houses from long term inactive players but honestly they need a system that works and a system that falls in line with Yoshi-P repeated comments along the lines of "it's ok for players to take breaks and go play other things they won't lose anything for doing so."

add a leasing system or something make players pay a rent of some form. that way they could pay say a maximum 6 months rent. and take a break till the next patch drops..

an upkeep cost might also encourage people with a house they never use to let it go to someone who will..

that's just 1 idea. there have been dozens of ideas better than this bs demo that we got that doenst work half the time anyway

[Sheriyana]

Holding players houses hostage if they take a break from the game is a terrible system anyway, especially when it's because they refused to do instanced housing despite having no way to keep up with the demand of an entire player base.

"Well, we'll never have the server space for our unrealistic system, so to band-aid that we'll blow your house up if you take a break". Great.

This, the only thing I want to see demolished is the house demolishing system. Stop putting blame on the players for your flawed system and fix your shit.