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    Some of them are a bit nitpicky. Especially the one on Ascian/Ancient lore. You can get lore from side quests within the game, which are also optional content—but everything necessary to understand the main scenario is always brought up in some way during the course of the main storyline. Even if the tidbits can also be found in the optional content. Your understanding of the Ancients and their society will not lack from not speaking to Emet during the 5.0 MSQ, but he does give “advance knowledge” on certain things you’ll hear about down the road.

    It’s kind of the same for the CT series argument. Yoshida stressed repeatedly to revisit the story prior to ShB launch—and in 5.3, made completion of CT mandatory to even get to HW. So it’s not like he didn’t try to hint at the importance. The team also did various adjustments to make unlocking the raids and progressing through their storyline much faster compared to in the past (such as removing the FATE requirements).

    I can agree that Urianger’s way of speaking gets irksome after a time. The only reason I can give for why they have him speak as such in English is because, in Japanese, he uses highly formal speech patterns. As English doesn’t have a formal speech equivalent, I’m guessing they thought his dialect was the best they could do.

    Quote Originally Posted by ProstheticSoul View Post
    Old and/or Middle English
    Urianger isn’t using Old or Middle English. Old English would be near unintelligible to us, and Middle English not far behind.

    A fun sample: The Lord’s Prayer in Middle English.

    Oure fadir that art in heuenes, halewid be thi name; thi kyngdoom come to; be thi wille don, in erthe as in heuene. Yyue to vs this dai oure breed ouer othir substaunce, and foryyue to vs oure dettis, as we foryyuen to oure dettouris; and lede vs not in to temptacioun, but delyuere vs fro yuel. Amen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProstheticSoul View Post
    I would heavily beg to differ on any of my criticisms being nitpicks.

    And lo and behold, yet another cut scene featuring Urangier spouting exposition with Elidibus that completely flew over my head because he is the only character in the Scion gang who insists on using Middle English in its entirety in his manner of speech. This is growing wearisome. Each cut scene is becoming more and more tedious than the one preceding it. While I'm still trying to decipher one that occurred 10 minutes ago, another one comes along that throws me into even more of a tizzy.
    Urianger isn't using Middle English. The English he is using is Modern English. (Somewhat archaic English in some cases, but still Modern English). Middle English is much different.
    It isn't all that difficult to understand Urianger, even if his language use tends to be a bit more convoluted than that of most other characters. You just need a decent knowledge of English.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MistakeNot View Post
    Urianger isn't using Middle English. The English he is using is Modern English. (Somewhat archaic English in some cases, but still Modern English). Middle English is much different.
    It isn't all that difficult to understand Urianger, even if his language use tends to be a bit more convoluted than that of most other characters. You just need a decent knowledge of English.
    I haven't ever had any problems understanding Urianger. Having experience with Shakespeare certainly helps with that as you'll find the same way of speaking in there. Such experience is something I have from english class.
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    OP, you are certainly entitled to your opinions. While I disagree with most of it, I certainly can't say something like "well you're wrong".

    Some stories just don't vibe. I love robots, I love space, I typically enjoy anime. Can't seem to get into Gundam, despite it being well loved and extremely popular here in Japan. Couldn't really tell you why without sounding really nitpicky about it either- so I feel you. No worries.

    That said, it's fine to just enjoy something without over thinking it, or find other ways to enjoy the game (social stuff etc), or to walk away entirely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adeacia View Post
    I haven't ever had any problems understanding Urianger. Having experience with Shakespeare certainly helps with that as you'll find the same way of speaking in there. Such experience is something I have from english class.
    Well, that's more power to you. Unfortunately, I don't understand Shakespearean. Ergo, it's incomprehensible to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Some of them are a bit nitpicky. Especially the one on Ascian/Ancient lore.
    Well, that's certainly your opinion. And you're certainly entitled to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MistakeNot View Post
    Urianger isn't using Middle English. The English he is using is Modern English. (Somewhat archaic English in some cases, but still Modern English). Middle English is much different.
    It isn't all that difficult to understand Urianger, even if his language use tends to be a bit more convoluted than that of most other characters. You just need a decent knowledge of English.
    Ah, that is indeed my mistake. I edited my other post to reflect the accuracy. Regardless, my argument remains the same. Just replace middle English with Shakespearean.
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