Gaming labels

[Nekokaori]

(first sorry i posting here i been holding it in, until i make a video because how forums are..) second im a old player.




Okay, so in gaming people both devs and players seem to have this "logic" that's not really logic in their head and I feel they have forgotten or don't even realize why many people get into things. "casual" doesn't mean a bad player or cant handle hard skills/jobs and tasks more so in mmo settings. Many "casuals" as they label it could be way better gamers than any hardcore player in mmo settings. This isn't because they can't handle hard jobs/content, it's because many gamers have social anxiety or issues dealing with people in general. What is really hard in mmos in general (including old school dark age of Camelot, ever quest) IS never the fights or jobs or even combat itself. The hard part is dealing with people. These labels people use to stick people into a box of good/bad etc are just annoying.

Now to devs or anyone else who says "why play a mmo" well its simple I can deal with people for trading, roleplaying or even a small family guild/fc setting. I just can't deal with them when playing content. Plus I enjoy dressing up and designing things and creating characters for a kind of "second life thing." I'm sure many others are of similar or near similar thought processes.


Finally, why should the labels die?
They should die, because its put this thought process in peoples head including devs that is total bs.

That “jobs or classes have to be simple and only become a challenge during certain combat situations. Which is false, not everything has to be simple not everything has to be easy and not all hard content has to be with a group. I am willing to bet if we toss in optional single player hard hard hardcore fights many of these “casuals” would out preform so called hard players in any game out there.

like when ast cards required a thought process in stormblood, or bard music took mp and you had foe requirm etc even tp should come back has it made you think how you were going to use your attacks in the most effective way.


and to finish up "just because its a "mmo" doesnt mean i have to always play with ppl to get through things this forced social stuff has to stop. If i want to be social with people I will go hang out with them by choice, not because it requires it.

[Padudu]

those sure are a lot of words

if you don't want to play with people, then just don't lol. SE is catering more to a single player experience anyways, use trusts. in the roulette, either que with your friends or just ignore chat

[Nekokaori]

those sure are a lot of words

if you don't want to play with people, then just don't lol. SE is catering more to a single player experience anyways, use trusts. in the roulette, either que with your friends or just ignore chat

expect your forced to for any content that challanges you, plus if im going to be honest many of me friends dont play ffxiv due to sub reasons lol, plus that only covers it on the 4 player stuff not the raids/ trails lol

[LeonKeyh]

This seems like a rather random rant (that seems to be jumping all over the place).

I don't think that anyone in this game looks down on casuals. I think you're largely making up an issue that doesn't exist. I'm a casual and never see anyone talking down on casuals.

The only time that casuals are ultimately brought up is whenever people are complaining about specific content catering to that group of people, but the complaint is the catering, not about casuals. Casual just is what it is. Everyone knows there are good "casuals" and really bad "hardcore" players.

I also play alone most of the time because I'm typically watching my daughter and can't afk in the middle of the dungeon because she decided to go swimming in the cats' water fountain. The game does a great job at providing "single player" options. So, again, I have no idea what idea you're trying to convey.

[Padudu]

expect your forced to for any content that challanges you, plus if im going to be honest many of me friends dont play ffxiv due to sub reasons lol

i mean that's what you signed up for lol. it's a MMO, it'll never purely be single player. if you can't deal with like the bare minimum of finding a group to just clear content with, idk what to tell you other than you're SOL.

[Nekokaori]

This seems like a rather random rant (that seems to be jumping all over the place).

I don't think that anyone in this game looks down on casuals. I think you're largely making up an issue that doesn't exist. I'm a casual and never see anyone talking down on casuals.

The only time that casuals are ultimately brought up is whenever people are complaining about specific content catering to that group of people, but the complaint is the catering, not about casuals. Casual just is what it is. Everyone knows there are good "casuals" and really bad "hardcore" players.

I also play alone most of the time because I'm typically watching my daughter and can't afk in the middle of the dungeon because she decided to go swimming in the cats' water fountain. The game does a great job at providing "single player" options. So, again, I have no idea what idea you're trying to convey.

eh tbh its often using as an excuse to not make content harder, and only limiting hard content to stuff that requires you to team up with ppl which ppl tend to act like is a big accomplishment *its not * if u cant do it alone its not accomplishment

[LianaThorne]

eh tbh its often using as an excuse to not make content harder, and only limiting hard content to stuff that requires you to team up with ppl which ppl tend to act like is a big accomplishment *its not * if u cant do it alone its not accomplishment

I mean, your opinion.

To me, casual is someone who does not play a video game with the intent of participating in a competitive sense. I know plenty of hard-core raiders with social anxiety and other social disorders so I wouldn't just stick that label on one group of people and use it as a defining point.

In general though, MMORPG literally has the word Multiplayer in it, so it should be expected that the majority of content will require a group of people. With the trust changes coming, soon the entire MSQ will be able to be done solo (outside of trials & raids). It's not unfair to lock 8-24+ man content to real players...God bless the team that would try to choreograph 23 other NPCs for you to run with for an alliance raid...

In the end, if your limitation is based around anxiety or something social, consider trying to use cases where multiplayer is required as an opportunity for growth. I have both an emotional disorder and extremely bad social anxiety but forced myself into Savage this tier because I was tired of having my issues keep me limited in what I can do. Otherwise, perhaps consider a legit solo game if you require all content to be done alone.

[LeonKeyh]

eh tbh its often using as an excuse to not make content harder, and only limiting hard content to stuff that requires you to team up with ppl which ppl tend to act like is a big accomplishment *its not * if u cant do it alone its not accomplishment

There is plenty of challenging solo content though; PotD/HoH, Blue Mage arena, soloing unsynced trials/dungeons, and the upcoming criterion dungeon or whatever it's called. Hell, even Trusts are a little challenging if you do wall to wall pulls.

Just because you may not _want_ to do that content, doesn't mean that there's a decent amount of difficult solo content out there already; Also, like I said, the new dungeon type is likely to add more.

[Vahlnir]

If you don't want to do content that requires a group then, despite everything else you have said, I'm still not sure why you are here since other games that are single player can scratch the same itches. A modded Skyrim playthrough would accomplish everything you want out of a game and more. lol There is such a thing as a good or bad player though. I don't think those labels should go away. Some people are good at playing the game, others are bad at it. That's just how it is. But as long as they are trying their best I've got no issue with either one, so long as they aren't jerks. Casual vs hardcore are labels that people use even though they have no idea what they mean. People just need to be civil with one another at the end of the day, but it's the internet so...

[IckeDerTyp]

Labels are only as strong as the power we allow em to have!

Words are just words, or something like that.