2.0 success or failure

**Fear** · 05-16-2012 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Ever since jobs were released this game has disappointed me.

Why? They're a great addition, Jack of all trades are nice and all but dedicated jobs are better IMO

**Elexia** · 05-17-2012 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by Fear

Why? They're a great addition, Jack of all trades are nice and all but dedicated jobs are better IMO

Because they didn't release "red wizard" probably.

**Jinrya-Geki** · 05-17-2012 03:12 AM

Originally Posted by Elexia

Because they didn't release "red wizard" probably.

FINALLY SOMEONE GET'S IT!

No I am disappointed by how limited Black Mage is. I want to be able be "Ok that's a fire mob, let me use wind spells. Oh that's earth based let me use water, or let me use ice". No, we had survival abilities taken away and limited to 15(5) abilities that aren't all amazing. I wanted vartiey with black mage and it's not there.

I was specifically waiting for this to make my game more fun and it hasn't. New gear they add or fights they add aren't worth it. Materia system makes everything better you never have to do any fights over melding materia. Why should I fight the bosses they ever release? What they should have done was make bosses like sky gods. They drop materials you can craft into gear, then you could meld it.

Now all I can do is hope it changes again in 2.0, but of course no developer will come out and say "Hey we're gonna change DoM abilties again just hang in there till 2,0". Instead they comment on Replaying music and making nighttime more scary.

**NoctisUmbra** · 05-16-2012 08:56 PM

Wait... he just attacked XIII-2?

lol...

**Vydos** · 05-16-2012 09:00 PM

I'm in this weird situation, where I partially think like the OP after all these not so succesful FF-titles. Yet I still have the feeling that S-E can pull this straight. Perhaps because I played FFXI and also that shimmer of faith that still remains in me. For the time being I keep my expectations very low for 2.0 and actually hoping deep down, that I will be wrong.

But again, we know the bare minimal. Like Ansem from kingdom hearts would say. "One who knows nothing, understands nothing."

**Zaaku** · 05-16-2012 09:39 PM

I'm also in line with OP's fears. I loved FF and grew up playing many of their games. A lot of good memories. I was enthralled by their stories, even if I didn't understand them all the time because of my age. I was just excited to play FINAL FANTASY! It was alright if I was kind of confused, I knew it will get better in the end. Lately though... pretty much everything after FFXI has been a let down. Not a complete blunder but when I finished those latest few titles I just kind of sit there and think, '
Wait that was it?'

FFXIII was a perfect example of this. The real fun never even began until 30 hours in. So I muddled and limped along hardly caring about what was going on but I did it because I knew it would just suddenly pick up and I would be in the zone. Got the end and just shrugged in disappointment. Nothing. Not a shred of pride or elation. The victory felt hallow and I didn't even have that post-completion pang of depression now that the journey was over.

That is also the dread I am beginning to feel in FFXIV. I've kept with it for now. I log on and try to appreciate what is there and soak it all in, just waiting for that FF VTEC to kick in. As I play more and more though I am beginning to see the boundaries they've set up for themselves. The shortcomings of the Primal system. The way they've set up the raids. The uninteresting and uninvolved story. The complete disregard for emphasizing party play. All these bad omens that have been put in place by the people who are supposedly bringing me a Final Fantasy game.

2.0 will really need to be all they promised and a bag of chips. I mean REALLY good. They will have to do better in a re-launch then they would normally do with just a standard release. Not only do they have to impress people enough to buy it but also overcome the stigma of FFXIV's failed launch. It is a big challenge and without any Final Fantasy magic to hook people I see no reason why this game should be successful. It is just so.... meh. If the Races were different and there were no Chocobos there would be no way to indicate this is a FF title. Which is what has brought most of us here. I hope it does well but I wouldn't be surprised to see a lack luster reception once more. Even if they do bring all the fireworks out. Just so much time and damage in this game's history. Plus the degrading quality of FF in general. We might not pull the numbers they want. If that happens and we're stuck with a small player pool it will not be long before they community just up and vanishes.

FFXI may have had a smaller population compared to most Giant MMO's but because of its difficulty and the direction SE took those who were in all became Sam Flynn. It was a solid subscriber pool to draw from. If FFXIV has the same number of people they will not last nearly as long. Since a sizable portion will be of the casual crowd who are much more fickle and proned to leave when things get boring or they feel the game is a 'failure'. Without the numbers to sustain the casual crowd and the lack of depth and difficulty to hook the hardcore the only ones left will be the die hards. Not nearly enough to keep the game afloat.

**Riffy** · 05-17-2012 03:54 AM

Originally Posted by Zaaku

I'm also in line with OP's fears. I loved FF and grew up playing many of their games. A lot of good memories. I was enthralled by their stories, even if I didn't understand them all the time because of my age. I was just excited to play FINAL FANTASY! It was alright if I was kind of confused, I knew it will get better in the end. Lately though... pretty much everything after FFXI has been a let down. Not a complete blunder but when I finished those latest few titles I just kind of sit there and think, '
Wait that was it?'

FFXIII was a perfect example of this. The real fun never even began until 30 hours in. So I muddled and limped along hardly caring about what was going on but I did it because I knew it would just suddenly pick up and I would be in the zone. Got the end and just shrugged in disappointment. Nothing. Not a shred of pride or elation. The victory felt hallow and I didn't even have that post-completion pang of depression now that the journey was over.

That is also the dread I am beginning to feel in FFXIV. I've kept with it for now. I log on and try to appreciate what is there and soak it all in, just waiting for that FF VTEC to kick in. As I play more and more though I am beginning to see the boundaries they've set up for themselves. The shortcomings of the Primal system. The way they've set up the raids. The uninteresting and uninvolved story. The complete disregard for emphasizing party play. All these bad omens that have been put in place by the people who are supposedly bringing me a Final Fantasy game.

2.0 will really need to be all they promised and a bag of chips. I mean REALLY good. They will have to do better in a re-launch then they would normally do with just a standard release. Not only do they have to impress people enough to buy it but also overcome the stigma of FFXIV's failed launch. It is a big challenge and without any Final Fantasy magic to hook people I see no reason why this game should be successful. It is just so.... meh. If the Races were different and there were no Chocobos there would be no way to indicate this is a FF title. Which is what has brought most of us here. I hope it does well but I wouldn't be surprised to see a lack luster reception once more. Even if they do bring all the fireworks out. Just so much time and damage in this game's history. Plus the degrading quality of FF in general. We might not pull the numbers they want. If that happens and we're stuck with a small player pool it will not be long before they community just up and vanishes.

FFXI may have had a smaller population compared to most Giant MMO's but because of its difficulty and the direction SE took those who were in all became Sam Flynn. It was a solid subscriber pool to draw from. If FFXIV has the same number of people they will not last nearly as long. Since a sizable portion will be of the casual crowd who are much more fickle and proned to leave when things get boring or they feel the game is a 'failure'. Without the numbers to sustain the casual crowd and the lack of depth and difficulty to hook the hardcore the only ones left will be the die hards. Not nearly enough to keep the game afloat.

Thanks for bringing a bit of life and randomness into Ul'dah

**Majidah** · 05-16-2012 10:59 PM

what is this guy ranting about? tanaka could tackle me down, squat on my head and poo and I'd still be excited about ffxiii-versus

**Khazar** · 05-16-2012 11:03 PM

I dont know if it will success or fail but it cant be worst than the current client o_Ó

**AdvancedWind** · 05-16-2012 11:08 PM

Honestly?

I don't really think FFXIV 2.0 will have any meaningful impact on the reputation of the series or Square Enix at all.

Most Final Fantasy fans do not care about the MMOs, it's a fact. For each guy that loved XI, there's 10 more that never even bothered with it. My point is: If FFXIV 2.0 goes well, it might get some good press on MMO centric sites, maybe a news bit on the major gaming sites and that's it. The general fans will continue ignoring it, and probably still think it is the same lol 4.0 game from release.

And, what if it goes badly? Well, people will laugh, say "we told you so", places like Kotaku and Sankaku Complex will troll for a while and that's it.

Now, if Versus XIII sucks, then FF is screwed.

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