Discrepency Between Male/Female Clothing/Emotes in Regards to Performance

[Theodric]

I'd rather not see glamour go in the same direction as hairstyles and result in the majority of options being designed to be feminine or androgynous rather than masculine. At least by having distinct designs for female and male characters a greater number of players are appeased. Whereas only a tiny minority of people playing male characters would be content if every other option was designed to be 'cute' or 'girly'.

[Carmabis]

I'd rather not see glamour go in the same direction as hairstyles and result in the majority of options being designed to be feminine or androgynous rather than masculine. At least by having distinct designs for female and male characters a greater number of players are appeased. Whereas only a tiny minority of people playing male characters would be content if every other option was designed to be 'cute' or 'girly'.

I do not care about how many men want to hyper-sexualize the female characters they play (nor women at this point honestly), and I think that a game default giving you hyper-sexualized outfits for females and being forced to use them because you physically CAN'T use the "default" version given to the males as a female is a very very bad indicator as to whether people actually want to use them or not, anyways. I agree with your last sentence tho, which is why I can't be bothered to join the discussion on giving men more sexualized articles of clothing. They already got a lot and it seems more empty than anything when it's just added on to a post asking for that specific foot to be taken OFF women's necks. As if it's anywhere near the same thing to add "oh, but step on MY neck please"

[Sigma5]

Literally all of them are skin tight jeans except the one on top right just one lonely bell bottom.

[Senn]

Bees knees is performative on females? idk, looks like the same dance male characters do. But putting that aside, I'm all for more unisex options and unlocking gender-locked gear/emotes. At the same time, I realize that doing something like this for all gear is a lot more work than it's probably worth. So instead I suggest at least the popular outfits get two versions (feminine and masculine) and make both these versions available to anyone regardless of character sex. It might be unrealistic to expect something like this with every single piece of gear, but if it's just the most desired and popular outfits, I think that would be fine.

There's no denying that most men want more masculine outfits, and most women want feminine outfits. This is just the norm. However, it doesn't hurt to acknowledge people who prefer an alternative style or unisex outfits - they should get things, too.

[BaconBits]

I just want a pair of baggy jean shorts so I can cosplay Rick from the PS3 Splatterhouse remake.

[Carmabis]

Bees knees is performative on females? idk, looks like the same dance male characters do. But putting that aside, I'm all for more unisex options and unlocking gender-locked gear/emotes. At the same time, I realize that doing something like this for all gear is a lot more work than it's probably worth. So instead I suggest at least the popular outfits get two versions (feminine and masculine) and make both these versions available to anyone regardless of character sex. It might be unrealistic to expect something like this with every single piece of gear, but if it's just the most desired and popular outfits, I think that would be fine.

There's no denying that most men want more masculine outfits, and most women want feminine outfits. This is just the norm. However, it doesn't hurt to acknowledge people who prefer an alternative style or unisex outfits - they should get things, too.

The women blatantly sway more and have an added wink and dont have as wide of a stance. This is where the chicken or the egg comment came about with men liking masculine things and women liking feminine things, there is no inherent determining factor that says "women usually prefer this because theyre women, and men usually prefer this because theyre men". It has absolutely nothing to do with sex and everything to do with social conditioning, and to act like enforcing the rigidity (as in ffxiv making female outfits the "other" and male outfits the "default" according to item icons) doesn't add to this is wild.

Making an entire different version of the outfit for only one sex that's clearly other'ed and secondary is a lot more work than was necessary when they could have just kept the clothing the same.

[Senn]

This is where the chicken or the egg comment came about with men liking masculine things and women liking feminine things, there is no inherent determining factor that says "women usually prefer this because theyre women, and men usually prefer this because theyre men". It has absolutely nothing to do with sex and everything to do with social conditioning.

I don't think it's only social conditioning. Clothing tailored to the female form is feminine. And clothing tailored around the male form is masculine. This has to do with a person's sex, too (women generally have wider hips, men have broader shoulders, etc.)
But let's say it was only social conditioning, what does it matter? It doesn't change the fact that, today, the majority of men prefer a masculine style, and women prefer feminine styles. It's what people want, so I think this demographic should be catered to as well instead of keeping all clothing the same with no variations. Feminine and masculine clothing still has a place in this game.

Clothing should not be genderlocked moving forward in my opinion. It'd be great if there were both masculine/feminine versions of popular outfits that anyone could wear. It's true that it might be a lot of work, and it's probably not a realistic request. Though I've seen unrealistic sounding requests actually get implemented into the game before, so who knows...

[Carmabis]

I don't think it's only social conditioning. Clothing tailored to the female form is feminine. And clothing tailored around the male form is masculine. This has to do with a person's sex, too (women generally have wider hips, men have broader shoulders, etc.)
But let's say it was only social conditioning, what does it matter? It doesn't change the fact that, today, the majority of men prefer a masculine style, and women prefer feminine styles. It's what people want, so I think this demographic should be catered to as well instead of keeping all clothing the same with no variations. Feminine and masculine clothing still has a place in this game.

Clothing should not be genderlocked moving forward in my opinion. It'd be great if there were both masculine/feminine versions of popular outfits that anyone could wear. It's true that it might be a lot of work, and it's probably not a realistic request. Though I've seen unrealistic sounding requests actually get implemented into the game before, so who knows...

I'm glad you agree that it shouldn't be gender-locked. But what do you mean "why does it matter"? Where are your statistics that a majority of women prefer feminine styles? Do they account for how often androgynous clothing is available in women's sections of stores? Do they account for inherent bias in job markets where women are treated as unprofessional if they don't wear those "feminine" styles of clothing (or wear make-up)? Do they account for how much positive reinforcement they're given when they finally conform and how that might influence personal decision making? What demographic is being catered when women are objectified, the women who are socially conditioned into it or the men who benefit from socially conditioning them into objects?

[Caurcas]

Why don't men want to wear feminine clothing in general?

Because feminine clothing is constructed around the feminine form, ere go it tends to look bad on the masculine form.

[Theodric]

Because feminine clothing is constructed around the feminine form, ere go it tends to look bad on the masculine form.

This.

Plus despite what subversive elements may seek to push, many men are happy embracing their masculinity much in the same way as many women are happy embracing their femininity. Exceptions exist, of course, but they're very much a minority albeit a very vocal one at that.