Edit Flash?

[AceofRains]

This is another suggestion, but I think flash needs to be changed to effect in this way:

Increase enmity of a target ally. (self included)

(2 Traits would need adjustment as well.)

Why do I say this? There is nothing that makes this skill unique from provoke other than a gladiator's ability to blind shit. White Mage gets this wonderful skill as a transferable abillity but alot of whitemage's tranfer skills are fking pointless. I keep trying to convince myself otherwise but ive come to the conclusion that they are not useful for whitemage that much. Unless you get attacked which some might, but in most senarios it wont save your life.


Rampart - too dangerous to use
Flash - fix it
Shield Bash - when will i use this?
Sentinel - Okay ill take it in case i get attacked
Outmaneuver - This skill should gain mp as well imo


Pummel - cant use
Featherfoot - duh take this
Second Wind - duh take this
Concussive Blow - cant use
Blindside - cant use
Sucker Punch - cant use
Demolish - cant use

So if flash is fixed to be this way whm can take

Flash
Sentinel
Outmaneuver
Featherfoot
Second Wind

All good? yes.

[SwordCoheir]

You lost me on part of your post Rains. I got the first part, but the second is just confusing.

If your getting at how it's difficult to fully utilize the effect of some of PLD's and MNK's abilities I can see what you mean, but it need's a bit more elaboration. Like the following.

Rampart- Too dangerous for party members to get close to receive the AoE bonus.
Flash- Little difference between Enmity generated between Flash and Provoke (Actually I think Provoke was proven to give a little more Enmity, but can't exactly remember. >.>)
Shield Bash- Ehh, I don't see anything wrong with this ability. It does decent damage (For a PLD WS), can stun, and has very low TP requirements making it a decent for a little cheap boost Enmity Generation.
Outmaneuver- You do get MP returns with the Enhanced trait, the bonus given is laughable however, I definately wouldn't mind a boost to the amount given.

I'm just saying be a little more specific in what you want from these, sarcasm and pessimism only goes so far without clarity.

[AceofRains]

You lost me on part of your post Rains. I got the first part, but the second is just confusing.

If your getting at how it's difficult to fully utilize the effect of some of PLD's and MNK's abilities I can see what you mean, but it need's a bit more elaboration. Like the following.

Rampart- Too dangerous for party members to get close to receive the AoE bonus.
Flash- Little difference between Enmity generated between Flash and Provoke (Actually I think Provoke was proven to give a little more Enmity, but can't exactly remember. >.>)
Shield Bash- Ehh, I don't see anything wrong with this ability. It does decent damage (For a PLD WS), can stun, and has very low TP requirements making it a decent for a little cheap boost Enmity Generation.
Outmaneuver- You do get MP returns with the Enhanced trait, the bonus given is laughable however, I definately wouldn't mind a boost to the amount given.

I'm just saying be a little more specific in what you want from these, sarcasm and pessimism only goes so far without clarity.

I believe I was specific enough. Although the skill im talking about here belongs to a gladiator im talking about its application to a white mage... which i stated...

I never said anything about monk or paladin, dont get it twisted.
I posted the skills useable by a White Mage from Gladiator and Pugilist and then made a mere comment on each one.

Rampart-
There is only one reason a white mage would use rampart and that is too pull enemies in a desperation use of Holy, otherwise you should never use this because you will generate massive enmity and die.

Flash-
Between flash and provoke, one shouldn't generate more than the other. Thats kinda stupid, what should be different is how it applys is what im talking about.

Shield Bash-
White Mages don't thrive on TP, and im sure not going to be whiping out my shield just to MAYBE stun something.

Oumaneuver-
With a trait it restores MP, a trait from gladiator. Yeah white mage doesn't really run out of MP and they also have enough MP recovery skills to last them, but if your going to make it apply to other classes, you might as well make it useful to them, catch my drift? Besides I don't have too many complaints about this skill other than its application for a paladin.

[SwordCoheir]

Alright I see what your getting at now re-reading it, I guess just waking up and seeing this in the GLA/PLD forums instead of the CONJ/WHM forums threw me off. XD

[AceofRains]

Alright I see what your getting at now re-reading it, I guess just waking up and seeing this in the GLA/PLD forums instead of the CONJ/WHM forums threw me off. XD

xD my bad i wasn't sure which one was right, considering its a gld technique

[Orophin]

Why does CNJ/WHM need an ability to control threat? They already have an enmity reducing ability; it's not within the scope of their job to transfer threat to other people.

Rampart is single target for CNJ/WHM so the threat generation is negligible. That and if you using Rampart is peeling a mob away from your tank, they're not doing their job correctly.

[AceofRains]

Why does CNJ/WHM need an ability to control threat? They already have an enmity reducing ability; it's not within the scope of their job to transfer threat to other people.

Rampart is single target for CNJ/WHM so the threat generation is negligible. That and if you using Rampart is peeling a mob away from your tank, they're not doing their job correctly.

Its within the scope of their job to protect themselves. If you cast a spell on a tank who hasnt gotten all of the mobs attention, there is a good chance you will die. Whm can use that external shift of enmity to save yourself.

Honestly, just because its not particularly broken doesn't mean it cant be improved.

[Orophin]

So how will Flash work for GLA/PLD then? I doubt it's within the technical capabilities of the game engine to set up two different rule sets for one ability.

[AceofRains]

Pretty much target your self and generate enmity in an area of effect. I did not say change the rules for one class i say change the function of the ability overall.

with enhanced flash II make it blind
with enhanced flash make it increase the enmity gained or increase the aoe radius

[kro]

Why are you posting about WHM subclass skills in the PLD forums?