The state of Thordan normal mode

[Jin-]

That way they get more sales on the story skip since the 1-60 content is piss poor and they do not care about it. They continue to make it easier and easier. Doubt they really play their own game apart from Yoshi's PR black mage

[CodeAvellus]

You have ARR trials or Coils at level 50.



They don't even make job stones or job quests required to progress with MSQ or get into instances. ilvl requirement in MSQ is very low... and as such don't expect any change in required content. Now go to Thordan EX with randoms





I did few ARR EX trails via Duty Finder and it wasn't that "easy". We had quite a few wipes on Ramuh... Also don't expect Savage or Ultimate should be the norm, especially for content that was made long ago and by now all the jobs are different. Like Ramuh EX isn't cheese-tanked by Summoner Egi any more... and there is no point in doing them as well. The gear is obsolete and there is no mount or glamour that drops only when synced.

And Asmon forced min-ilvl no-echo on himself and even with good players it wasn't "that easy" as well.

Without access to the metrics the producers have, it's not possible for you to say this with any authority. You can only guess, based on your experiences.

Well, you are right, I can't be 100% sure without the metrics

[CodeAvellus]

Well, you clearly didnt even understand what we are talking about here. Who is talking about EX? Who is talking about PVP? e-sports? Who is asking for a hard content here?
I don't know if I should even waste my time replying to someone that is talking about a whole different subject in this thread, lol.

I'm talking about how Thordan need changes in level sync, i don't care about extreme content, i don't care about any hardcore content, and I also don't care about the player that is already in the endgame of Endwalker and it's enjoying the game. I'm worried about the casual player that decided to play this game and feel immersed in the story, but when the big moment/final boss comes, it's a fight that people dance on AoE, Scholars goes AFK, and everyone just skip all mechanics.

I'm sorry if my english is not good enough, but can you get it now? I didn't say a word about competitive contents.

[Poporito_Popoto]

People who do roulettes want them done quickly to get their tomestones and then move on.

Anyone who quits because a trial was too easy wasn't going to stay long anyways.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Maybe it'll get turned into a solo battle like Cape Westwind and Lahabrea.

[Seafishie]

Agreed. I was hoping the number squish in Endwalker would revert all the fights back to their original difficulty but it ended up doing the opposite. Every trial before SHB is painfully easy. New players are missing out.

[Kranel_San]

I feel sad every time I queue for a roulette and i see it's the King Thordan fight.

Not that i don't like this fight. Actually it is one of my favorite contents in this game. I love the lore, I love the map design, I love the soundtrack, and specially, i love the feelings i had when I did this fight for the very first time when 3.0 released.

I feel sad because it's now one of the easiest contents in the entire game. Healings are almost not required. Tanks? a black mage can easily tank him, and I would not be surprised to see someone beating him using only auto attack.

I'm not saying that i want really hard Trial. I just would like to see new players having the same experiecing that veterans had when the game/expansion/patch was released. It's so frustrating to get to the climax of the expansion, the biggest moment, the final boss, and see a Scholar afk while Eos heals the party, or see people dancing on AOE.

This has to be fixed. Please, take a closer look to this Trial and some other contents in the game

Thordan normal mode is going to be THE cape Westwind in 6.1 and beyond.
As someone once said: "There must always be.... A cape westwind."

[TaleraRistain]

Maybe it'll get turned into a solo battle like Cape Westwind and Lahabrea.

Kind of hope they do go that route. We know from Memoria Misera that even if something is from solo, it can still get an Extreme so they wouldn't need to remove or adjust Thordan EX. Just make Thordan a solo fight and give new folks that epic conclusion.

[Claire_Pendragon]

Maybe it'll get turned into a solo battle like Cape Westwind and Lahabrea.

It already is. I encourage some my friends who hit Lv60 to solo it. Ive soloed it a few times on a couple of jobs jobs (with Lv sync, no echo, and min iLv, otherwise it would be "too easy" times two.)
Some of my other friends, who arent... "the best" of players, I offered to go in as SCH, and just AFK, and the fairy handled the healing (which is honestly overkill. kinda wish i could weaken the fairy for them to have to actually dodge stuff)

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

It is definitely one of those things where a lack of difficulty actually hurts the narrative punch. It feels like you are bullying an old man.

To be fair, that old man had it coming.