The state of Thordan normal mode

[CodeAvellus]

I feel sad every time I queue for a roulette and i see it's the King Thordan fight.

Not that i don't like this fight. Actually it is one of my favorite contents in this game. I love the lore, I love the map design, I love the soundtrack, and specially, i love the feelings i had when I did this fight for the very first time when 3.0 released.

I feel sad because it's now one of the easiest contents in the entire game. Healings are almost not required. Tanks? a black mage can easily tank him, and I would not be surprised to see someone beating him using only auto attack.

I'm not saying that i want really hard Trial. I just would like to see new players having the same experiecing that veterans had when the game/expansion/patch was released. It's so frustrating to get to the climax of the expansion, the biggest moment, the final boss, and see a Scholar afk while Eos heals the party, or see people dancing on AOE.

This has to be fixed. Please, take a closer look to this Trial and some other contents in the game

[iVolke]

Inb4 "Just go play savage/ultimate"

[TheMightyMollusk]

They're only just now addressing the ARR finale. Give it time.

[BrokentoothMarch]

They're only just now addressing the ARR finale. Give it time.

If it's only just now addressing that, I can't wait for the HW update in 2060.

[CodeAvellus]

They have to understand that it's not a minor problem, It's actually one of the main problems with this game. How many times i see a friend of mine just quitting the game even before reach stormblood, just because the game doensn't have any challenge, because biggest moments actually frustrates the player, or because nowadays MMOs have voice acting in every quest. Why do you think that huge amount of new players are not even playing the game anymore? Square enix is actually losing money right now.

[Raoabolic]

They have to understand that it's not a minor problem, It's actually one of the main problems with this game. How many times i see a friend of mine just quitting the game even before reach stormblood, just because the game doensn't have any challenge, because biggest moments actually frustrates the player, or because nowadays MMOs have voice acting in every quest. Why do you think that huge amount of new players are not even playing the game anymore? Square enix is actually losing money right now.

You can thank SB and class homogenization for that one. As for the voice acting problem, not a problem. Since when was reading a bad thing in a video game? i would laugh if SE actually got worried they were losing money, though considering they are doubling down on the Avengers game I seriously doubt they will learn anything from it.

[CStrife912]

They have to understand that it's not a minor problem, It's actually one of the main problems with this game. How many times i see a friend of mine just quitting the game even before reach stormblood, just because the game doensn't have any challenge, because biggest moments actually frustrates the player, or because nowadays MMOs have voice acting in every quest. Why do you think that huge amount of new players are not even playing the game anymore? Square enix is actually losing money right now.

I mean its proven that they aren't loosing money from their newest earnings report and that even takes into account the dead time they stopped selling the game. Since ShB it's playerbase has been increasing each year so they aren't actually loosing money in this regard thats for sure. There are many hoops stopping people playing the game but people have to remember its not exactly a new title, I mean you can play Lost Ark and enjoy a terribly written and paced, badly voiced story or WoW not barely having any voiced lines besides lines. ESO granted yes is fully voiced but suffers samey syndrome where its like the same 10 people are doing all the work. I am not defending the sporadic use of voice work in 14 im fine with the text reading its just where they pick to voice and dont voice is my issue.

[sharknado]

They have to understand that it's not a minor problem, It's actually one of the main problems with this game. How many times i see a friend of mine just quitting the game even before reach stormblood, just because the game doensn't have any challenge, because biggest moments actually frustrates the player, or because nowadays MMOs have voice acting in every quest. Why do you think that huge amount of new players are not even playing the game anymore? Square enix is actually losing money right now.

For one you have very old content while all new games like Lost Ark, Elder Ring do not have legacy content so players get straight into current new content. Both cases aren't always good or bad. New World is fresh yet it failed to retain players. WoW lost large amount of playerbase yet alongside with FF14 and other long lasting MMOs is still here and in constant development. Old content will always degrade to some extent. WoW just gives a level boost with each expansion and ignores anything prior to current patch exists. FF wants the story to not be skipped and to be continuous. If someone doesn't want to play a game that focuses on telling story then FF14 will never please them realistically and the game should not try to cater to them in some weird way.

If someone wants challenge early on then there are EX ARR trials or Aurum Vale with random sprouts. If that's not enough then nothing in this game will be enough and they just should play more competitive game vs more story/RPG type game.

[CodeAvellus]

For one you have very old content while all new games like Lost Ark, Elder Ring do not have legacy content so players get straight into current new content. Both cases aren't always good or bad. New World is fresh yet it failed to retain players. WoW lost large amount of playerbase yet alongside with FF14 and other long lasting MMOs is still here and in constant development. Old content will always degrade to some extent. WoW just gives a level boost with each expansion and ignores anything prior to current patch exists. FF wants the story to not be skipped and to be continuous. If someone doesn't want to play a game that focuses on telling story then FF14 will never please them realistically and the game should not try to cater to them in some weird way.

If someone wants challenge early on then there are EX ARR trials or Aurum Vale with random sprouts. If that's not enough then nothing in this game will be enough and they just should play more competitive game vs more story/RPG type game.

Challenge should not be something to endgame players, that doesn't make sense, specially because we have the Level Sync feature that was created to balance the game, including the old contents. They could just ajust the level sync for trials like Ifrit, Garuda, Thordan, Shiva. Oh, do you remember when was the last time you heard the full soundtrack of Shiva? Right now, new players have to listen to the music on Youtube, because her second phase ends in less than 1 minute.

[sharknado]

Challenge should not be something to endgame players,

You have ARR trials or Coils at level 50.

They could just ajust the level sync for trials like Ifrit, Garuda, Thordan, Shiva.

They don't even make job stones or job quests required to progress with MSQ or get into instances. ilvl requirement in MSQ is very low... and as such don't expect any change in required content. Now go to Thordan EX with randoms

Oh, do you remember when was the last time you heard the full soundtrack of Shiva? Right now, new players have to listen to the music on Youtube, because her second phase ends in less than 1 minute.

I did few ARR EX trails via Duty Finder and it wasn't that "easy". We had quite a few wipes on Ramuh... Also don't expect Savage or Ultimate should be the norm, especially for content that was made long ago and by now all the jobs are different. Like Ramuh EX isn't cheese-tanked by Summoner Egi any more... and there is no point in doing them as well. The gear is obsolete and there is no mount or glamour that drops only when synced.

And Asmon forced min-ilvl no-echo on himself and even with good players it wasn't "that easy" as well.