Job action combos one button

[Saraide]

I have to agree with him. It really does sound like you don't optimize your rotations. Collapsing abilities similar to pvp wouldn't even work for most of the melee jobs. It would actually make the flow of combat janky, or worse they would have to simplify things even more to make it work. Either way, the entire concept is a terrible idea.

What? My entire point was never about oGCDs, just about combo collapsing itself (like is the thread's topic). I am still confused as to why oGCDs and positionals were even brought up as counter in the first place. Did I ever claim they require no attention or that keeping up your combo is the only thing? If so I would like you to point that out to me so I can clear up a misunderstanding.

I find this a very weird leap in logic you have there tbh: I doubt that the people who want combo collapsing are interested in rotation optimization therefore I definitely dont optimize my rotation.

[hagare]

What? My entire point was never about oGCDs, just about combo collapsing itself (like is the thread's topic). I am still confused as to why oGCDs and positionals were even brought up as counter in the first place. Did I ever claim they require no attention or that keeping up your combo is the only thing? If so I would like you to point that out to me so I can clear up a misunderstanding.

I find this a very weird leap in logic you have there tbh: I doubt that the people who want combo collapsing are interested in rotation optimization therefore I definitely dont optimize my rotation.

hey, just my bias
you do you

[Saraide]

hey, just my bias
you do you

Yea please explain your bias a little bit more, honesty goes a long way in understanding each other.

[hagare]

Yea please explain your bias a little bit more, honesty goes a long way in understanding each other.

nah.
I could write a paragraph of explanation. But that won't do any good.
you just do you.

[Saraide]

nah.
I could write a paragraph of explanation. But that won't do any good.
you just do you.

I will do me and not believe you that you could, have a nice day.

[hagare]

I will do me and not believe you that you could, have a nice day.

cool
have a nice day

[Ransu]

What? My entire point was never about oGCDs, just about combo collapsing itself (like is the thread's topic). I am still confused as to why oGCDs and positionals were even brought up as counter in the first place. Did I ever claim they require no attention or that keeping up your combo is the only thing? If so I would like you to point that out to me so I can clear up a misunderstanding.

I find this a very weird leap in logic you have there tbh: I doubt that the people who want combo collapsing are interested in rotation optimization therefore I definitely dont optimize my rotation.

I don't care if they are interested in optimized rotations or not. I care about the fact that if they did make this change it would NOT be an optional setting. They would be forced to simplify the game even further which would in turn make the game worse. It did nothing to improve PvP and I don't want that level of simplification bleeding over into pve.

I play games like SWTOR and FFXIV specifically for this type of combat system. I'm tired of players who can't be bothered to keybind come in and advocate for making the game as simplistic as possible. They've already ruined swtor for me with the 7.0 combat changes and I've since unsubbed from that game. I don't want that happening here.

[Shurrikhan]

I don't care if they are interested in optimized rotations or not. I care about the fact that if they did make this change it would NOT be an optional setting. They would be forced to simplify the game even further which would in turn make the game worse. It did nothing to improve PvP and I don't want that level of simplification bleeding over into pve.

Why are we using a setting about as different as a different MMO entirely (XIV's PvP) as evidence for there being no chance of consolidation being optional?

PvP's consolidation was done in order to allow level entry-level players to jump straight into the level-cap toolkit of PvP, or, put less kindly, to dumb down the level-cap PvP toolkits to that of PvP content's entry levels. It was an addendum to a far larger plan specifically and deliberately aimed at simplification.

That context does not apply also to PvE, for which a level-cap kit is not the same as a level 30's and the dev's do not insist on some hard cap of a dozenish job actions.

Chocobo racing has about as much relevance to the broader designs of PvE as does PvP in this game; since Stormblood, XIV has already stripped any illusion of its PvP following the same design philosophies as its PvE, instead being plenty happy turn PvE into some hybrid of a mini-game and reference to PvE actions.

[ASkellington]

Why are we using a setting about as different as a different MMO entirely (XIV's PvP) as evidence for there being no chance of consolidation being optional?

Gnashing Fang's combo would like a word with you.

[Shurrikhan]

Gnashing Fang's combo would like a word with you.

Does its word explain why one would conflate wholly different contexts?

Seriously, you'd find more relevance towards existing (real) jobs' PvE kits in a design decision from Blue Mage as evidence than in XIV's PvP. PvP has been a thing unto itself since Stormblood.

"There may be an odd quirk of coding by which it's actually harder to copy-over a past design for stacked actions for specific combos without also doing the extra work of removing the existing, separate actions" would actually be a more reasonable warning against consolidation than "It was included as a small part of PvP's sweeping changes towards simplification, so anything that uses it would doubtless face the same lack of options as PvE."

The latter treats a tool as having inherent motive and context; it doesn't. Combo consolidation would do for PvE only exactly what the precise buttonflows of having consolidated combos would do for PvE. It does not necessitate it's being a non-option. It does not necessitate sweeping changes towards simplification.

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As for Gnashing Fang itself, I'd agree that we should regain the option to separate it, even if I can understand why SE didn't much feel it made sense for one job's equivalent of Goring Blade/Storm's Eye to take up three times as many unique keys as the others'.

A small note, though: Gnashing Fang has never been a combo as codified by the game any more than, say, Forked/Fleeting. It's only ever been a series of skills that provide 10s buffs which unlock others in that series. As such, one could already just key-swipe across them (WT->JS->GF) to queue the next among whichever of the trio was possible rather than ever needing to track one's step in that series or hit a particular button per that step.