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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    They removed nearly every bloated action by now, everything we have and used in a rotational basis is useful... There's no bloat to cut anymore.
    There are still a lot of actions that can be consolidated that aren't weaponskill combos.
    • AST Draw + Redraw or Draw + Play
    • AST Minor Arcana + Crown Play
    • BLM Leylines + Between the Lines
    • BLM Freeze + Flare
    • BLM Blizzard IV + Fire IV
    • BLM Despair + Umbral Soul
    • BRD The Wanderer's Minuet + Pitch Perfect
    • DNC Flourish + Fan Dance IV
    • DNC Devilment + Starfall Dance
    • DRG Jump + Mirage Dive
    • PLD Sheltron + Intervention: Essentially same ability with different target
    • MCH Hypercharge + Heat Blast
    • MNK Perfect Balance + Masterful Blitz
    • NIN Hide + Trick Attack
    • PLD Requiescat + Confiteor
    • RPR Arcane Circle + Plentiful Harvest
    • RPR Enshroud + Communio
    • SMN Summon Carbuncle + Radiant Aegis
    • SMN Energy Drain + Ruin IV
    • SMN Energy Siphon + Ruin IV
    • WAR Inner Release + Primal Rend
    • WAR Raw Intuition/Bloodwhetting + Nascent Flash: Essentially same ability with different target

    Additionally, WHM would benefit from consolidating Cure II + Afflatus Solace and Medica + Afflatus Rapture, since Afflatus Solace and Afflatus Rapture are exactly just free+instant Cure II and free+instant Medica.
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    Last edited by Rongway; 03-06-2022 at 08:39 AM.
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    Arlo Nine-tails
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    There are still a lot of actions that can be consolidated that aren't weaponskill combos.
    • AST Draw + Redraw or Draw + Play
    • AST Minor Arcana + Crown Play
    • BLM Leylines + Between the Lines
    • BLM Freeze + Flare
    • BLM Blizzard IV + Fire IV
    • BLM Despair + Umbral Soul
    • BRD The Wanderer's Minuet + Pitch Perfect
    • DNC Flourish + Fan Dance IV
    • DNC Devilment + Starfall Dance
    • DRG Jump + Mirage Dive
    • PLD Sheltron + Intervention: Essentially same ability with different target
    • MCH Hypercharge + Heat Blast
    • MNK Perfect Balance + Masterful Blitz
    • NIN Hide + Trick Attack
    • PLD Requiescat + Confiteor
    • RPR Arcane Circle + Plentiful Harvest
    • RPR Enshroud + Communio
    • SMN Summon Carbuncle + Radiant Aegis
    • SMN Energy Drain + Ruin IV
    • SMN Energy Siphon + Ruin IV
    • WAR Inner Release + Primal Rend
    • WAR Raw Intuition/Bloodwhetting + Nascent Flash: Essentially same ability with different target

    Additionally, WHM would benefit from consolidating Cure II + Afflatus Solace and Medica + Afflatus Rapture, since Afflatus Solace and Afflatus Rapture are exactly just free+instant Cure II and free+instant Medica.
    Ah, I agree with the list! It makes sense, because isn't actually removing actions but condensing them in a similar way the combos would be as per the OP suggestion.

    My statement was more akin to removing actions that won't add anything to the gameplay other than just a button to press with zero depth behind.

    Edit: Summon Carbuncle... That is something that I don't consider bloat itself because technically you never have to press it unless you die, but damn I'd love to see that just turned into a cosmetic spell because it is annoying as heck to have the utility unavailable most of the time because there's another summon going on.
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    Last edited by Raikai; 03-06-2022 at 12:50 PM.

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    Thalia Beckford
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    Additionally, WHM would benefit from consolidating Cure II + Afflatus Solace and Medica + Afflatus Rapture, since Afflatus Solace and Afflatus Rapture are exactly just free+instant Cure II and free+instant Medica.
    That one wouldn't work because the Afflatus skills need lilies so you're hamstringing us when we're out of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    That one wouldn't work because the Afflatus skills need lilies so you're hamstringing us when we're out of them.
    It would be like if you have a lilly it would make medica/cure 2 instant rather then outright get rid of them. I made the suggestion a while back cause I would never use cure 2 or medica when I have a lilly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    That one wouldn't work because the Afflatus skills need lilies so you're hamstringing us when we're out of them.
    No, it would be like any action that changes to another action while under some effect. Just to pick something off the top of my head, when RDM has 20|20 gauge the action Moulinet upgrades to Enchanted Moulinet. WHM could easily be changed so that when you have one or more lilies, Cure II is upgraded to Afflatus Solace and Medica is upgraded to Afflatus Rapture.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    Edit: Summon Carbuncle... That is something that I don't consider bloat itself because technically you never have to press it unless you die
    ...but in what way is that not bloat? There is a button on your bar, that you never press but once per life; and you have another button that you can use often but not at all until you first press that one button that you only press once and then never touch again. Why wouldn't you want to make the button that you press once and never touch again change into the other button that can't be used unless you've pressed it?

    (Yes, I know, SMN already doesn't have many buttons; however, it can be true that SMN doesn't have very many buttons and simultaneously also they still have buttons that can be reasonably consolidated because one is locked behind the other.)
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    Last edited by Rongway; 03-06-2022 at 07:45 PM.
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