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  1. #1
    Player
    Imoye's Avatar
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    Onywen Fraelia
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    Ragnarok
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    I wish people would stop with the button "bloat" myth. There is no actual button bloat in this game. Most jobs don't have that many buttons. I had far more abilities on my bars on my priest back in Wrath of the Lich King than any current job in FFXIV. Blizzard thought this was a problem and strived to reduce "bloat". The result was mind-numbingly boring classes that play themselves.

    Yes, there are some buttons that are not very useful. But if SE wants to remove buttons because they are "redundant" or something like that, then a replacement ability that is more useful needs to be added IMHO. If you want to play something braindead you already have a bunch of options. New SMN being a prime example of a one-button job. Knock yourself out.

    TL;DR: Be careful what you wish for.
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    Last edited by Imoye; 03-07-2022 at 06:36 PM.

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    Ilisidi Malguri
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    Ragnarok
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    Botanist Lv 100
    The one button combo set up is in PVP. I don't like it there and don't want it in the PVE. It throws my rotation off since I find it difficult to discern when in the rotation I am. With them across my keyboard, I know when I am simply by which finger and position I was on last. It's also physically easier, since it involves several fingers and positions, instead of repeatedly putting the load on one finger and position. Same when I'm on controller, I have mine set up to flow between engaging both hands somewhat. That's physically less taxing for me and the different motion pattern help me remember my rotation.
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    Last edited by Ilisidi; 03-07-2022 at 06:48 PM.

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    Luka Srcesch
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    Zodiark
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Hm... I think it's a matter of time until they do that, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing.
    See, the thing people is scared about is condensing the 1-2-3 rotation into one button and everything else staying the same, but I feel condensing 1-2-3 buttons into one and adding new stuff to do that's not a 2 minute cooldown buff could be beneficial. Overall, the number of buttons stay largely the same, but you get to do more stuff with the same number of buttons.
    Let's say you have your 1-2-3 condensed, then you can have combo buttons that can only be activated or get empowered while under step 1, step 2 or step 3. This would solve the issue healers have, because healers don't have different things to do to attack, they just have 1 button, not a condensed rotation.
    RDM is a good example of this. After finishing your 1-2-3 combo, your spells flip and change to other type of spells: Instacast finishers. They feel much different from the original casted spells they substitute, and yet they don't add a single extra button to the rotation.
    Using convertible "flip" spells can condense rotations greatly and still feel fun and nice to play. Heck, they could do that with 3 different buttons and make a more dynamic rotation. Something that feels closer to NIN's mudras.
    Taking RDM as an example again, imagine Displacement and Engagement disappearing and being flip skills of Melee3 and Melee1 respectively. You can then add 2 more spells to the game and the number of buttons stays the same while still preserving everything the RDM had.
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    Daniel Negreanu
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    Adamantoise
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    This is already possible but my lips are sealed

    And I would be 0% surprised if a lot of top players are already doing it
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    Last edited by DanielNegreanu_Adamantoise; 03-07-2022 at 11:20 PM.

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    Ilisidi Malguri
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    Ragnarok
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    Botanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by DanielNegreanu_Adamantoise View Post
    This is already possible but my lips are sealed

    And I would be 0% surprised if a lot of top players are already doing it
    You don't need third party tools for that. Macros with action button swaps are perfectly doable in the game as is.
    As such I'd like to have more macros, two hundred is not enough.
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    Eristede Kell
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    Sargatanas
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    Ninja Lv 100
    Do people think that pressing 1-2-3 makes you more l33t than pressing 1-1-1?

    It does not.
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    Daniel Negreanu
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    Adamantoise
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    PLD damage is on par with warrior now btw

    But the job still lacks a philosophy of use, or meta
    Not as personally tanky as a warrior, has unnecessary group defense utility
    And warriors shake it off is comically better than plod’s equiv so the job still feels a sense of WHY DID YOU CREATE ME GOD?!?
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    Last edited by DanielNegreanu_Adamantoise; 03-08-2022 at 12:42 AM.

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    Derio Uzumaki
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    Sargatanas
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    This only makes sense in pvp. Since they cut button bloat every expansion the need for one button combos in pve are unnecessary.
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    Lil Imp
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    Goblin
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ArcaviusGreyashe View Post
    I respect hardcore players that do the world first race or whatever, but "hardcore players" that take 3 weeks to clear P4S with a perfect meta-compliant composition are just posers.

    I don't care about those people, but let's be honest : if I can trigger them, I will, because I'm just bored of them trying so hard to prove they're better than others when they're just meta slaves with nothing to back them.
    Lmao fair enough; I know a 'week 1 clear' group that is either still on P3S or just started P4S this week, some 3 months after the tier launched. The arrogance of some groups is honestly baffling, but watching and interacting with them in limited doses can get pretty amusing sometimes.
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    Character
    Novae Ombreloup
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    At this point, just ask for auto play.
    I mean, I know many players would love to Gpose auto play with their favorite trusts, it's just a matter of time before Yoshi P adds it to the game.
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