Job action combos one button

[Kewitt]

I'm out of easy reached keys as is. I know I could better utilize my off gcd ability if I wasn't having to find my mouse cruiser only to click there set to alt or ctl

[Saimeren]

I'm out of easy reached keys as is. I know I could better utilize my off gcd ability if I wasn't having to find my mouse cruiser only to click there set to alt or ctl

Let's say you use 1,2,3,4,q,e,z,x,c,v,f,r,t

That's 13 buttons directly around your left hand. Then you have ALT, Shift and Control. So that's 39 keys. You can also make a macro to switch to a hidden bar behind your main bar for an extra 12 slots on the same keybinds.

You have access to 51 different keybinds with just those few buttons.

You're not out of keybinds.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

Let's say you use 1,2,3,4,q,e,z,x,c,v,f,r,t

That's 13 buttons directly around your left hand. Then you have ALT, Shift and Control. So that's 39 keys. You can also make a macro to switch to a hidden bar behind your main bar for an extra 12 slots on the same keybinds.

You have access to 51 different keybinds with just those few buttons.

You're not out of keybinds.

I have very large hands, pressing alt and another key at the same time every 10 or 20 seconds is really painful if I play for more than 20 or thirty minutes. Imagine if you have arthritis, sclerosis, or whatever.

I see no way pressing ctrl + something is not hurtful after some time, be it for my hands, or for people with smaller hands. So that's 26. Take into account that, because of my hands, pressing x or c while moving will be hurtful after some time, that's 22, and that's more than most classes have.

I still have no issue because I have a keyboard that enables me to use f-keys easily, but what works for you may not work for others. And then again, it's an option, it doesn't take anything from you.

[Saimeren]

I have very large hands, pressing alt and another key at the same time every 10 or 20 seconds is really painful if I play for more than 20 or thirty minutes. Imagine if you have arthritis, sclerosis, or whatever.

I see no way pressing ctrl + something is not hurtful after some time, be it for my hands, or for people with smaller hands. So that's 26. Take into account that, because of my hands, pressing x or c while moving will be hurtful after some time, that's 22, and that's more than most classes have.

I still have no issue because I have a keyboard that enables me to use f-keys easily, but what works for you may not work for others. And then again, it's an option, it doesn't take anything from you.

If you have small hands you have the alt and ctrl keys. If you have big hands you have the function keys.

You also have a hidden bar behind your main bar that shares your main bars keybinds. Making a small macro to switch to that bar isn't difficult.

Heck, if I'm not mistaken you can do that with any hidden bar and any displayed bar. The macro takes up a slot on each bar, but instead of having 12 active keybinds for spells you now have 22 on one bar with only 11 keybinds.

Do that with your shift hot bar as well and you now have 44 open slots on 22 keybinds.

This is what I do. I have a bar set up with normal keybinds that feel good for me to use. I then have a second hidden bar behind it that I switch to using Caps Lock. (Mind you, I had to macro my keyboard to change caps to one of my NumLock keys because the game doesn't allow you to bind to Caps for some reason.)

And then I have a third hot bar next to my main one with all of my primary keybinds with shift modifiers.

And then a fourth bar with misc keybinds that aren't used every minute.

I have 34 active slots on 23 keybinds. (Half of which are just shift modifiers.) Plus a few misc keybinds on top of that.

It's not all that hard to find room if you get creative.

[Shurrikhan]

If you have small hands you have the alt and ctrl keys. If you have big hands you have the function keys.

The function keys, on most keyboards I've seen, are either inside the alt key (thus not preferable over Alt for larger hands anyways) or are --typically smaller-- on the far end of the keyboard...
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I agree that the use of mod and thumb keys allow for a great many accessible binds, but what a player has access to, even then, is still within particular thresholded limits based on hand size and degree of mobility, even when ignoring any difficulty in adjusting muscle memory to a new layout.

The last time I injured my hand (and wrist), the only mod key I could reliably use without pain, especially if playing more than some dozen minutes, sessions was my CAPS, which I had rebound to Alt. Adding Shift allowed me another 10 keys (QWERASFZXC) but required moving my palm down from a neutral WASD position.

That's not to say we should build the game around that degree of injury, but "just get creative" isn't particularly useful advice; there are certain movements that become unusable, unusable without pain, or unusable without pain over longer spans, whether that be stretching laterally, vertically, twisting the wrist inwardly, outwardly, or translation (due to needing to rest the weight of the hand).

To assume that anyone having problems just hasn't remotely tried to think their way out of their situation is... not great.

[ASkellington]

And then again, it's an option, it doesn't take anything from you.

Its not going to be an option, please stop saying that it is.

It isn't an option in pvp to opt out and it wasn't an option in EW update with the Gnashing Fang combo as I mentioned in an earlier post.

In the grand scheme of things is this a minor complaint for me? Yes. Which is why changing it isn't a hill I will die on.

Will I still be cursing SE out for messing with my muscle memory? Yes I will. I did when EW hit and I do so every role play quest.

[hagare]

,z,x,c,v

the rest are good, these ones I avoid xD

[Izar_Chillen]

Let's say you use 1,2,3,4,q,e,z,x,c,v,f,r,t

That's 13 buttons directly around your left hand. Then you have ALT, Shift and Control. So that's 39 keys. You can also make a macro to switch to a hidden bar behind your main bar for an extra 12 slots on the same keybinds.

You have access to 51 different keybinds with just those few buttons.

You're not out of keybinds.

I can manage 23/24 keybinds (2 x 12 row bars)

anything more than that means i have to lift my hand of of my wasd position or mouse and years of PVP in WoW (early years) and SWTOR meant that taking a hand off of wasd for movement meant i was a duck in the water

so all mine are around wasd , then shift or alt modifiers

q, a, capslock(if a game allows it), f, x, Shft+Xx, MMb, shft+MMB , shft+d , shift+spce , c , shift+c ,r - makes up my hotbar 1

1, 2, 3, 4, shift+q , shft+e. shft+f alt+1, alt+2, alt+3 ,shft+r make up my second hotbar . Ideally a class has no more than 23-24 spells to place on the hotbars , if they do ill have a few on extra hotbars in a north east direction where my mouse pointer naturally floats when im idling on the mouse

on occasion ill use f1=4 for things but i have to lift off of wasd and i dont like that.

My muscle memory and my age wont allow me to get used to more ,as i just fall over when it comes to trying to re write 15 years of mmo key bind muscle memory

[Saimeren]

anything more than that means i have to lift my hand of of my wasd position or mouse and years of PVP in WoW (early years) and SWTOR meant that taking a hand off of wasd for movement meant i was a duck in the water

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My muscle memory and my age wont allow me to get used to more ,as i just fall over when it comes to trying to re write 15 years of mmo key bind muscle memory

I hear that. I'm right there with you. That's why I created a small macro that allows me to keep a second bar underneath my primary one. I have 22 slots on 11 keybinds. The second bar shares the keybinds with the primary bar. So my hand doesn't have to leave WASD to hit anything.

[Esmoire]

I would like it as an option. Certainly makes hotkeying stuff in PvP much easier.