Job action combos one button

[Shurrikhan]

You neglected a third option where some jobs that are already squeezed even with combo consolidation are inevitably forced into a system they don't want because new buttons are continuously added and now there isn't a reason to prune away any. You're also assuming people are simply unaware combos aren't unique per se and just don't realize they can condensed. Most are. They simply don't like the idea.

I'm making no such assumption. I have simply noted that the evidence thus far points to any consolidated spaces not being filled by new skills or other reasons for consolidation ignored on the mere basis that some players already reduced their button counts.

It is for PvP. If the transition were simple enough to move over, I suspect they would have done so already.

If it's something that the devs want to do regardless, and somehow instead a combo of IDs X, Y, and Z cannot behave like those of A, B, and C (despite PvP skills separating from PvE skills only when PvP was equalized across level brackets), then how can one make the claim that consolidation would be "un-XIV-like"?

As for caring? Well, all the people who dislike combo consolidation. I'll throw that back at you. Who cares if you find 123 pointless? At the end of the day, we're essentially arguing preference.

No, we're arguing options. If your preference can exist only by removing any possibility of others meeting their own preferences --i.e., your preference must forever trump all others-- then we're arguing the space for options. I'm arguing to have relevant options, while thus far you've argued that any such option be barred.

Your preference is met and could still be met with options. Others' are not and cannot be met without such an option. The trick here is that you then add that your choice might, if things go in precisely your hypothesized direction (Yoshida suddenly decides to no longer renovate existing job abilities with further expansions and that jobs should have more --button-consuming-- depth) might devalue your choice and thus others should have literally zero choice.

That's not just an argument for the superiority of your preference, but that it should be the only one supported or available to players.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

No, just to be clear, I didn't adress that argument at Forte, hence the "I know it isn't your argument". I'm just stating something else to add to this, using a quote of them as a starting point. No hard feeling whatsoever.

[Kohl]

What is it with mmo players and their button fetish...

We only got 10 fingers!

Right? I don’t get it…

[Kohl]

Yes. But you're still implying the lack of perceived button...

Nope, still really am not implying any of the things you keep flinching at.
On a controller? Yeah… maybe kinda, but I also use hot bars for overflow items, so not really.
Whatever…

[IdowhatIwant]

Well, it is an option now. Just get dalamud add on.

[Shurrikhan]

Its not going to be an option, please stop saying that it is.

It isn't an option in pvp to opt out and it wasn't an option in EW update with the Gnashing Fang combo as I mentioned in an earlier post.

PvP isn't worth comparing here; that option was removed only as part of a far larger set of simplifying changes meant to make end-game PvP's kits accessible even to first-time level 30 PvPers when the level spans were squished together.

The EW update is relevant, but making consolidation an option instead merely requires that they remove the "cannot be added to hotbar" clause from the combo steps beyond the first and provide a separate available 'combo' key (which we already have the structure for) in the Actions and Traits menu that one could drag and drop onto their bars.

Well, it is an option now. Just get dalamud add on.

Consoles: "Well, this was expected."

[ASkellington]

PvP isn't worth comparing here; that option was removed only as part of a far larger set of simplifying changes meant to make end-game PvP's kits accessible even to first-time level 30 PvPers when the level spans were squished together.

The EW update is relevant, but making consolidation an option instead merely requires that they remove the "cannot be added to hotbar" clause from the combo steps beyond the first and provide a separate available 'combo' key (which we already have the structure for) in the Actions and Traits menu that one could drag and drop onto their bars.

And from both PvP's example and EW they could have made it an option and they have not.
It is very likely if we ask for this change, they will not.

If they do consolidate buttons, it is mostly to clear the way to add in more. /shrug

I'm not saying SE shouldn't accomedate for people who have hand troubles, but I am saying that they aren't going to make it an option for people who don't want it.

Otherwise I'd have the option to use 1-2-3 in pvp.

[Zweiss]

I'd be more than fine with it. My hotbars only have so much room and I've only got so many fingers to press buttons with. They've been doing it in PvP for years now, I see no reason to not do so outside it as well.

[Mikey_R]

I'm not a keyboard/mouse player, but can you not change the movement keys from WASD? Especially if you have big hands and the shift/ctrl keys are too close, change the movement to 'esdf', this shifts your main hand position over giving more space.

You could also potentially move it closer to the middle and use other letters as 'shift/ctrl', again, though, since I am not a keyboard player, I do not know if this is possible (but I do not see why not).

BUT WAIT, you cannot touch the sacred WASD for movement, don't be absurd. To that I say, break the mould (if it is possible).

[Istaru]

Do you think we will see the day where our rotation for combos will be just one button instead of 3-4? I think it would be a blessing and cut down on the hotbar bloat that we are getting for skills. What are your opinions on it?

Why stop there, we should have one button, period.

You get to some monsters and you push your button, it would do your entire rotation, including buffs and continue to do it until all monsters are dead, it would select single target or AoE for you, if you are a tank, it would use cooldowns, for healers, it could oGCD heal for you too!

Just think of how it would solve all the problems we have. Ice Mage? Solved! Freecure fisher? Not anymore! Tank not using cooldowns for tank busters? Fixed that too! DPS only using single target rotation for 757 monsters? Impossible!

This would be the best change ever implemented to the game!

If they did this, and added in for our characters to actually do mechanics for us, everyone could clear Savage and Ultimate too! Look at that engagement rate, it would be 100%