Stop band-aid fixing the glamour system and just fix it for real

[Claire_Pendragon]

As someone mentioned somewhat, they original glamour plate system was meant to be the glamour log, but they couldnt get past an issue (we dont know what it is) and YES the glamour plate system is a bandaid fix/solution.
So the OP is semi correct, but also doesnt know they havent found a solution to w/e the problem was with a glamour log. (since yoshida likes to twist details to put the team in better light, id assume its actually about money costs, and not so much actual technical limitations.)

[Thatsrev]

I assume this is being worked on right now and probably for quite some time but it also might require new db's, new list and some code rework.

The WoW system would be preferable in which you just need to loot or equip the gear piece once and it's added to your log, making the glamour dresser basically obsolete and free up space aswell.

Potentially housing glamour dresses could come with it as a way to save your plates which are populated from the glamour log.

[RecoveryPotion]

As someone mentioned somewhat, they original glamour plate system was meant to be the glamour log, but they couldnt get past an issue (we dont know what it is) and YES the glamour plate system is a bandaid fix/solution.
So the OP is semi correct, but also doesnt know they havent found a solution to w/e the problem was with a glamour log. (since yoshida likes to twist details to put the team in better light, id assume its actually about money costs, and not so much actual technical limitations.)

But is it really a money issue tho? 1 single person can pay or pay up to $20 a month because of paying for 3 -4 retainers, and with how big the player base is (with a quick google search is 35.8 million subbed with 3.4 million actively playing daily) I just don't see them having any money issues

*edit: OH and this doesn't even graze the amount of money they make off of the mogstation especially fantasias and mounts etc

[Thatsrev]

But is it really a money issue tho? 1 single person can pay or pay up to $20 a month because of paying for 3 -4 retainers, and with how big the player base is (with a quick google search is 35.8 million subbed with 3.4 million actively playing daily) I just don't see them having any money issues

*edit: OH and this doesn't even graze the amount of money they make off of the mogstation especially fantasias and mounts etc

Probably the same with the server situation, it's not a money but a supply chain/lack of hardware issue(All this needs to be stored somewhere and you probably need to extend hardware to not reduce performance).
SE already mentioned they are ready to splurge but there is not enough offer to meet the demand.

[Shougun]

Honestly I bet the only reason they're sticking to this is that they project that adding a glamour log will take longer than what they expect us to be patient for.

I believe this. Given they have memory issues on housing, this, account wide mogshop stuff, and the like- I assume they're no where near able to just give us a multi-thousand glamour log. A log which I'd love to have. Long ago they were working on an item log, and determined it wasn't feasible (unfortunate)- but a glamour log to me is like that and would be absolutely amazing.. because then you have a reason to run about and collect and 'progress' with easy tracking and immediate quality feedback. If I get something in a dungeon currently I usually just imagine losing it in my hundreds of slots, and so usually turn it into scrap instead.

Of course that said our log does have a unique ability to act as a bank in essence, where you can store and retrieve 800 slots of items.... which is definitely not nothing (though there are a lot of steps in doing so). Personally I'd still prefer a log but I still think it's wild that we basically have an 800 slot bank lol.

[SeverianLyonesse]

I believe this. Given they have memory issues on housing, this, account wide mogshop stuff, and the like- I assume they're no where near able to just give us a multi-thousand glamour log. A log which I'd love to have. Long ago they were working on an item log, and determined it wasn't feasible (unfortunate)- but a glamour log to me is like that and would be absolutely amazing.. because then you have a reason to run about and collect and 'progress' with easy tracking and immediate quality feedback. If I get something in a dungeon currently I usually just imagine losing it in my hundreds of slots, and so usually turn it into scrap instead.

Of course that said our log does have a unique ability to act as a bank in essence, where you can store and retrieve 800 slots of items.... which is definitely not nothing (though there are a lot of steps in doing so). Personally I'd still prefer a log but I still think it's wild that we basically have an 800 slot bank lol.

I do have to say that what was "unfeasible" then may not always be unfeasible in the future. Regardless of whether its a cost or a technical limitation, there is the possibility they may find access to solutions they didn't have access to before.

The number of glamour plates is whatever. I think at minimum they should have one for each job, but I personally don't play more than a few jobs so for me I just get space for alternative outfits. But 20 would seem like a fair number if we didn't have DoH/DoL jobs.

The lack of a glamour log will forever be a problem in this game, though. I don't think it is fair compared to the state of the industry. There are so many difficult-to-aquire pieces of glams at this point that they effectively force players to throw away stuff hoping they will never want it again. For me, I have basically thrown out most of everything through level 70 in the hope that it wouldn't take me too long to solo content if I ever needed it again. But I shouldn't *have* to do that.

[Vahlnir]

I would love an actual glamour log, for sure. I can't deny, however, that an extra 400 glamour dresser slots is a big deal. That will save me a ton of inventory space.

[Shougun]

I do have to say that what was "unfeasible" then may not always be unfeasible in the future. Regardless of whether its a cost or a technical limitation, there is the possibility they may find access to solutions they didn't have access to before.

The number of glamour plates is whatever. I think at minimum they should have one for each job, but I personally don't play more than a few jobs so for me I just get space for alternative outfits. But 20 would seem like a fair number if we didn't have DoH/DoL jobs.

The lack of a glamour log will forever be a problem in this game, though. I don't think it is fair compared to the state of the industry. There are so many difficult-to-aquire pieces of glams at this point that they effectively force players to throw away stuff hoping they will never want it again. For me, I have basically thrown out most of everything through level 70 in the hope that it wouldn't take me too long to solo content if I ever needed it again. But I shouldn't *have* to do that.

I would hope so too lol. I mean at the time it might have been a unique idea. To be honest I think it was from player feedback too, I remember making posts on the matter saying it would be cool if SE had what is basically a bestiary for items.. I really wanted to get lore on them if possible (a huge ask). It roughly lines up to what they said, so I think it's feasible they were initiating the project on feedback. That was a long, long time ago. Now the idea of a glamour log that holds multi-thousand slots is actually fairly common, so it's no longer so strange a request.

One issue might be how they coded the game, though of course you'd hope they are slowly improving the internals (changing how the memory works would probably be one of the more scary tasks you could do for an MMO). I remember Yoshida talking about the game was coded in a more old school fixed memory restraints way- which was part of also how they could get it on the ps3 as well. It makes sense, since you can see even apartments in the game are limited resource, something that sounds entirely wrong. Like they shouldn't under any circumstance be at least limited apartments, but there are lol. Then you think they hard coded memory in a rather inflexible (but perhaps efficient) manner, and it's like "...oh yeah, makes sense" unfortunately.

Part of the reason I hope they are going to have another MMO being worked on not "AT 10 years from now" but sometime from now to then, such that it's well and ready when it's time to phase FFXIV like they did to FFXI. It's not a statement of death to the game, as the game is going to be fine for quite some time longer- just like WoW was, but as it ages it'll get harder for multiple reasons (competition, difficultly implementing features, too much familiarity making everything seem like an 'old idea' even if it's not (you can see this as increased rate of burn out), etc. But the game easily has a few more successful years even if they didn't do well, so again it's not the death of the game in a general sense, heck look at FFXI still making them money lol.). Alternatively they may try to make it work in FFXIV, it's possible- just sounds extra scary. But then again releasing a new mmo is probably also extra scary. Everything is scary XD.

Anyway, so it's not me saying I don't want a complete glamour log- I do, just that explaining some of the history. That history doesn't mean you can't want it anymore, or whatever- I still want it lol, I just feel it's good to know where stuff came from. That and also it's funny to consider we have an 800 slot bank system, that does feel a bit O_o.

[Avatre]

I would love an actual glamour log, for sure. I can't deny, however, that an extra 400 glamour dresser slots is a big deal. That will save me a ton of inventory space.

The extra space is nice to be able to move some stuff off retainers/out of saddlebags. Though hopefully they are working on a glamour log to replace the current system when they can.

[Vahlnir]

The extra space is nice to be able to move some stuff off retainers/out of saddlebags. Though hopefully they are working on a glamour log to replace the current system when they can.

Hopefully. I wouldn't expect anything like that until after the engine upgrade though, unless that is something they have planned to go along with it. Not gonna get my hopes up, but I would like for it to happen someday.