Thread: Support for FCFS housing in 6.1

Originally Posted by Eraden

You have a very odd idea of what fair is. All players in this game are equal in terms of what they have access to. Your being here longer than others does not entitle you to any special benefits. The Lottery is objectively fair as it treats everyone equally. As for Divinemights, that person was the first to throw down the term "delusion" and tied that to a claim that there "is no fair system". What I am beginning to see from the two of you is a rather unfortunate sense of entitlement.

I was not trying to say that those who have been here longer deserve special benefit, though perhaps I used a poorly worded example.

The point was that those who don't care about housing and are just spending their gil on houses because they've got nothing better to do with the gil (or are looking to make a profit in the case of FC houses) are now in the position of easily being able to force out those who actively desire a house to use and have been trying a long time to get one without success. The former won't engage with the system once they have a house while those who want to engage with the system still aren't getting the chance.

It is not a fair system when only some who meet the basic requirements are rewarded and others get left out despite having met those same requirements. A fair system would make certain that everyone who meets the requirements is rewarded.

I'm in agreement with Divinemights on this one topic (and the two of us agreeing on anything is a rarity if you go back through our post history). It's a delusion to think the lottery is a fair system. It still has its flaws. Being a better system than FCFS doesn't make it a fair one.

There's also a big difference between calling a specific thought delusion and calling a person delusional. Maybe avoid the ad hominem attacks? You can't control what someone else chooses to say but you can control what you say.

Originally Posted by Eraden

From my understanding of how the Lottery will be run, you can only make one bid at a time, no matter how much Gil you have. Now for FCs there is the possibility of spreading that Gill out to have many bids on a FC house. However, we don't know yet how wards will be distributed with regards to personal housing and FCs. As for that incredible amount of Gil that some people have, it would be nice for there to be SOMETHING of value introduced into the game that would drain a little of that Gil away. Island Sanctuaries might be that something, but we know so little about them right now that it would be a fool's game to speculate too much about them.

It appears to be one bid per character, not per account. Someone with multiple characters could potentially make multiple bids.

Unfortunately, that incredible amount of gil that some players have will never get drained out of the game unless SE makes a radical change to the gil cap and reduces it per account substantially. They can't put a high price on something like Island Sanctuary because that would keep less wealthy players from participating. The gil sink mounts might have been a step in the right direction if they hadn't used recolors of existing mounts - and if the prices had been 10 times higher than what they are.

Originally Posted by Shibi

The biggest mistake most people make is not thinking beyond Emperyum. What happens in May or June when we are back to one demo a week or one demo per two weeks?

We end up with a bunch of complaints as players are still unable to get a house because there will be hundreds if not thousands competing for the same plot (depending on how many are available for that lottery period).

It's what some of us have been pointing out all along - SE is shuffling the RNG involved in getting a house without addressing what makes getting a house a problem in the first place. The wards will never be sufficient to serve all of the player base that wishes to obtain a house. People will be happy at first because a change was made then end up angry when the change doesn't improve their situation.

Originally Posted by Jojoya

It is not a fair system when only some who meet the basic requirements are rewarded and others get left out despite having met those same requirements. A fair system would make certain that everyone who meets the requirements is rewarded.

I'm in agreement with Divinemights on this one topic (and the two of us agreeing on anything is a rarity if you go back through our post history). It's a delusion to think the lottery is a fair system. It still has its flaws. Being a better system than FCFS doesn't make it a fair one.

I am beginning to realize that you are conflating process and outcome. A system does not have to have the same outcome for all participants in order to be fair. All that is required is that the rules are set so that everyone who wishes to participate may do so and will be treated equally with respect to the process. There is nothing "delusional" about recognizing that a system that applies the same rules to all, is fair. The same outcome can ONLY be assured if there were enough plots to meet the needs of ALL players.

Originally Posted by Jojoya

It's what some of us have been pointing out all along - SE is shuffling the RNG involved in getting a house without addressing what makes getting a house a problem in the first place. The wards will never be sufficient to serve all of the player base that wishes to obtain a house. People will be happy at first because a change was made then end up angry when the change doesn't improve their situation.

Yes, some of us. Far to many are still blinded by the one event over a few days in the middle of April, and still forget what comes after.

On FCFS the people at the placard were those who wanted a house. They went through the unhealthy, numbing pain - Diadem and Beatus of the Firmament like - to get it. But it was absolutely possible to beat the bots and crowds if you kept at it, joined a discord, and only clicked between hours 12 and 14.

After Emperyum, when we are back to one house a fortnight, and probably thousands entering - because "hey, it's cheaper than a minion and easier than Grand Cacptpot" - there is no chance, just dissapointment.