Is it just me or are some Healers refusing to Heal Paladins?

[HisShadowX]

So little background about me. I have maxed (Before Endwalker) out all the tanks except warrior. I have tons of max level DPS and one maxed out (Before Endwalker) White Mage.

Something that always concerned me was DPS Healers basically healers who prefer to DPS over healing. Typically, even these healers would start healing once you get below 30% health, but every now and then you get a healer who refuses to heal until you are below 15% or even 10%, which can be nerve wrecking as a tank if you did a big pull it only takes one big heal to kill you but the rule of thumb is if your still alive the healer is doing his job and if you die that's on the healer.

Greatest thing about the Paladin is the Healing Ability and it can make a difference as an off tank when things are getting real bad in a raid but I noticed for Endwalker content I have healers who are absolutely refusing to heal or will only start maybe healing once the Paladin's MP is exhausted healing himself well the healer is just DPSing.

I have not played a Sage yet, but I know they lack an instant heal, but I have been running with healers who almost never heal and are waiting for me to start healing myself. At a certain point this week I sort of tested this out by barely healing and they would let me die rather than heal me at the start of the dungeon.

I was experiencing this with Sages at first and sort of judging them harshly, but then I have gotten into some wonderful parties with them doing their jobs.

I know as a Healer, my big thing is, rather than DPSing the entire time I heal.

I have had horrible parties lately where I would get a healer they wouldn't heal and it would just be miserable and then the DPS would drop out and of course the healer would leave and thankfully the next healer typically heals rather then DPSing which has been my luck.

Is this a new trend? I just came back into the game last month and thankfully most of the dungeons have been trusts but now I am leveling my alts and the healers are getting bad. I noticed they will heal my DRK and Gunblade but my Paladin again they would rather let me die then heal me.

[RobynDaBank]

Nah, SGE has instant heals with its Addersgall stacks so they don't lack completely in that department.

What would you define as barely healing, and what would you define as "not DPSing the entire time and healing" (ie the thing you do)? Like, are you dying to no heals often across many groups? If you're zooming from 100-40, it's a tank defensives issue. If your health gradually slips to 0, then it's a healer issue (at least usually). Healers as a norm do prefer to do damage and healing both.

Have you come back after a really long time?

[Padudu]

I'd say I get those types of healers more in P1-4Ns for some reasons, sages being the biggest offenders with being greedy with their heals and deciding to dps more. Seriously during a P3N run with my SO being my DRK co-tank, his healing was on par with both the AST and the sage by using TBN lmao when we checked FFlogs. I was constantly floating around 5-10k hp the entire fight and only lived due to TBN being on me + clemency nonstop.

I honestly don't get it. It's definitely not just you, I think in general it's been that way even if you aren't a PLD, PLD is just more sustainable with their heals unlike DRK where they NEED to be healed or die

[HisShadowX]

Nah, SGE has instant heals with its Addersgall stacks so they don't lack completely in that department.

What would you define as barely healing, and what would you define as "not DPSing the entire time and healing" (ie the thing you do)? Like, are you dying to no heals often across many groups? If you're zooming from 100-40, it's a tank defensives issue. If your health gradually slips to 0, then it's a healer issue (at least usually). Healers as a norm do prefer to do damage and healing both.

Have you come back after a really long time?

I'm talking about no healing buffs put on me or if it a buff is put on me they accept that as healing. Like they won't start healing at all I noticed as a Paladin. This week when I tested I was not going to heal at the beginning of the dungeons the healers would often not cast even a healing buff or if they did that's all they did and just DPS'd until I died. Then when they resurrected me they did one big heal and then stopped healing completely again.

I've noticed this is happening to my Paladins only the Gunblades and Dark Knights will get healed, but the Paladin seems to be expected to heal themselves.

I'd say I get those types of healers more in P1-4Ns for some reasons, sages being the biggest offenders with being greedy with their heals and deciding to dps more. Seriously during a P3N run with my SO being my DRK co-tank, his healing was on par with both the AST and the sage by using TBN lmao when we checked FFlogs. I was constantly floating around 5-10k hp the entire fight and only lived due to TBN being on me + clemency nonstop.

I honestly don't get it. It's definitely not just you, I think in general it's been that way even if you aren't a PLD, PLD is just more sustainable with their heals unlike DRK where they NEED to be healed or die

So your getting that on other tanks. Yeah, as I mentioned earlier, there was always a segment of the healing population that prefers DPSing over healing, but it seems to have gotten worse in this expansion and especially for Paladins. I mean on my other tanks I am still getting healers who barely heal there as always been that but the weird thing about my Paladins I am getting healers in Endwalker content that won't heal at all causing a wipe.

I main PLD and I can't say I've run into this problem.

I would suggest just not using clemency at all and seeing if the problem continues, even if you feel you're about to die. I doubt anyone will give you flak for not clemming.

That is what I started testing this week and I have been demanded I use clemency which at this point they want me to be Healer and tank

I dunno, i've been running into to pld who clem if they fall below 95% hp. Like chill bro, i know how to use benny.

Lol, I actually do this for a specific reason. For example there is a Buff the Paladin has that once you get healed it gives everyone around you a defensive buff. So if I noticed I am pretty high up and it will be a minute before I am going to get healed I typically use that ability and clem so everyone gets a defensive boost.

Paladin has the most robust kit in terms of utility, self-sustain, and mitigation. This in turn allows your healers to output more dps on your behalf, which is why things are balanced this way. You've already had two expansions as hands down the most dominant tank, heaven forbid that you're not the best tank at everything.

This is an example of the mentality I am speaking off. They expect you to heal well the healers DPS

[RobynDaBank]

I'm talking about no healing buffs put on me or if it a buff is put on me they accept that as healing. Like they won't start healing at all I noticed as a Paladin. This week when I tested I was not going to heal at the beginning of the dungeons the healers would often not cast even a healing buff or if they did that's all they did and just DPS'd until I died. Then when they resurrected me they did one big heal and then stopped healing completely again.

I've noticed this is happening to my Paladins only the Gunblades and Dark Knights will get healed, but the Paladin seems to be expected to heal themselves.

Sorry, it doesn't feel like you answered the rest of my questions. IMO the average healer would know that a PLD coming to the point of casting Clemency is bad because it tanks your own gameplay flow (unless you're overzealous with the self-healing yourself). Usually in FFXIV healing guides players are told to heal when the tank goes to 40%-30%.

It's starting to sound like this happened to you just once TBH. A healer greeded too much with damage, told you to just heal yourself because Clemency, and found it more convenient to resurrect after the death. Seems like too specific an instance to occur many times (if it is, yikes, terrible luck). Most healers have good off-GCD healing tools so it's not even like they need to stop damaging to heal, they've little reason left to greed at this point with the shortening of the damage button cast.

I've heard in much earlier expansions and the base game healers avoided damaging often because it needed a stance switch and MP management wasn't as lenient. Things have changed if that was the case then, because all left to do now is press Lucid Dreaming (or in Astrologian's case, just draw cards).

[HisShadowX]

Sorry, it doesn't feel like you answered the rest of my questions. IMO the average healer would know that a PLD coming to the point of casting Clemency is bad because it tanks your own gameplay flow (unless you're overzealous with the self-healing yourself). Usually in FFXIV healing guides players are told to heal when the tank goes to 40%-30%.

It's starting to sound like this happened to you just once TBH. A healer greeded too much with damage, told you to just heal yourself because Clemency, and found it more convenient to resurrect after the death. Seems like too specific an instance to occur many times (if it is, yikes, terrible luck). Most healers have good off-GCD healing tools so it's not even like they need to stop damaging to heal, they've little reason left to greed at this point with the shortening of the damage button cast.

I've heard in much earlier expansions and the base game healers avoided damaging often because it needed a stance switch and MP management wasn't as lenient. Things have changed if that was the case then, because all left to do now is press Lucid Dreaming (or in Astrologian's case, just draw cards).

If you look at my join date you will see I have been playing for a long time. Things were different back then, but no this has happened now for the past month and it seems to only happen when I switch back to the Paladin for Endwalker content. As I mentioned in two previous posts now this week I have tested this by not using clem at all for the first ten minutes of a new dungeon and what would happen is during many instances the healer would not heal at all. The first healing spell they would use is Raise because I had died due to no one healing me. It didn't matter whether or not I used a buff at all.

It seems from the other post I am not alone with feeling like this, but again, I noticed the lack of healing from many healers when it comes to a Paladin.

I main PLD and my SO mains DRK, idk if he's gotten healers like that solo but I don't think I have either. It was only when we que'd together haha. If you're getting demanded to clemency yourself I just wouldn't tbh. I only clemency when either the healer(s) have died or the healer just wants me to die

Try not to clemency yourself when you're at like maybe 40% or above btw. Some healers will stop healing you or heal you a lot less.

Agreed, this week again with my test of not using clem its sort of taken me to a spot where I do not want to use that ability at all because I feel Paladins are almost expected to do the healing now and the healer just DPS the entire time.

[Padudu]

So your getting that on other tanks. Yeah, as I mentioned earlier, there was always a segment of the healing population that prefers DPSing over healing, but it seems to have gotten worse in this expansion and especially for Paladins. I mean on my other tanks I am still getting healers who barely heal there as always been that but the weird thing about my Paladins I am getting healers in Endwalker content that won't heal at all causing a wipe.

I main PLD and my SO mains DRK, idk if he's gotten healers like that solo but I don't think I have either. It was only when we que'd together haha. If you're getting demanded to clemency yourself I just wouldn't tbh. I only clemency when either the healer(s) have died or the healer just wants me to die

Try not to clemency yourself when you're at like maybe 40% or above btw. Some healers will stop healing you or heal you a lot less.

[Liam_Harper]

I'd say I get those types of healers more in P1-4Ns for some reasons, sages being the biggest offenders with being greedy with their heals and deciding to dps more. Seriously during a P3N run with my SO being my DRK co-tank, his healing was on par with both the AST and the sage by using TBN lmao when we checked FFlogs. I was constantly floating around 5-10k hp the entire fight and only lived due to TBN being on me + clemency nonstop.

Since you decided to bring fflogs up and attack healers over this, where is your source?

Your only Pandemonium Normal logs, your healers were the exact opposite, low dps and healing too much. You also were struggling significantly with RDM and aren't really in a position to judge others. I call nonsense on your whole story.

Also Sages can literally solo heal P1-4n while spamming Dosis the entire time. I've seen it and done it myself.

[Padudu]

Since you decided to bring fflogs up and attack healers over this, where is your source?

Your only Pandemonium Normal logs, your healers were the exact opposite, low dps and healing too much. You also were struggling significantly with RDM and aren't really in a position to judge others. I call nonsense on your whole story.

Also Sages can literally solo heal P1-4n while spamming Dosis the entire time. I've seen it and done it myself.

This was over a month or two ago, like maybe Jan. I'm not the one who originally uploaded it btw. The RDM linked it to us, believe it was one of the healers who originally uploaded it. I can try to go through my internet history once I'm back at home and try to dredge it up

Also, I was PLD in that instance, not RDM. And yeah I struggle with RDM lol. It's my first 90 dps class and I didn't really have my rotation set down. I have a hard time transitioning from being a literal tank-only player to being DPS, so yeah oh well. Tanking has always been my main thing. The funny thing is that that's the ONLY time I ever did p1-4n on a DPS lul. Funny that you pick that up instead of like.. you know, the tanking bits.

I'm not judging anyone at all lol. If you don't believe me, thats cool fam lol. I'm relaying an experience I had that related to the OP, I told it. That's all. I know I'm not a great player, never even remotely judged them, all I said was that p3n was a bit lulzy

edit: tried for like 30mins, but couldn't find it even with searching my SO/RDM's logs rip. sorry but don't feel like putting any more effort towards it than that lol

[DixieBellOCE]

I'd say I get those types of healers more in P1-4Ns for some reasons, sages being the biggest offenders with being greedy with their heals and deciding to dps more. Seriously during a P3N run with my SO being my DRK co-tank, his healing was on par with both the AST and the sage by using TBN lmao when we checked FFlogs. I was constantly floating around 5-10k hp the entire fight and only lived due to TBN being on me + clemency nonstop.

I honestly don't get it. It's definitely not just you, I think in general it's been that way even if you aren't a PLD, PLD is just more sustainable with their heals unlike DRK where they NEED to be healed or die

Since when did P3N require healing as a tank?
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