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    Toxic DPS

    Just got out of Saint Mocianne’s Arboretum (Hard) as DRK. Pulled roughly two mobs at a time and at one point a SAM ran ahead and started fighting another mob while I and the team were still dealing with my current pull. I responded “Don’t pull ahead of me, please”. Their response? “Then pull like a man.” I explained I’m not a tank main and going at a pace I’m comfortable with and to not be a dick. They responded “Don’t make me laugh”.
    The last boss they and the rest of the team died to failed mechanics but I managed to solo the boss from about 40%. It felt good, but my mood’s been soured from this toxic DPS. Is their behavior reportable? If not, how do you tank mains go about dealing with it?
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    Not sure if it's reportable, but if I get something that like that I generally either bite my tongue and move past it the best I can or I'll say something back if it annoys me enough, then move past it after the instance is over. I hate it when dps pull for me too but it's something we generally deal with and get used to just pulling the mobs they did. That and it can be considered griefing if we let them die because we didn't take the mobs off them...which is reportable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marxel View Post
    how do you tank mains go about dealing with it?
    I take the mobs off them and continue with my w2w pull.

    At Level 70 w2w pulls are the norm and should not be a problem, the ypyt mentality tanks are the toxic ones imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marxel View Post
    Just got out of Saint Mocianne’s Arboretum (Hard) as DRK. Pulled roughly two mobs at a time and at one point a SAM ran ahead and started fighting another mob while I and the team were still dealing with my current pull. I responded “Don’t pull ahead of me, please”. Their response? “Then pull like a man.” I explained I’m not a tank main and going at a pace I’m comfortable with and to not be a dick. They responded “Don’t make me laugh”.
    The last boss they and the rest of the team died to failed mechanics but I managed to solo the boss from about 40%. It felt good, but my mood’s been soured from this toxic DPS. Is their behavior reportable? If not, how do you tank mains go about dealing with it?
    I don't know if it's wise to assume that your mood was the only one soured, as is implied here. If you'd been single-pulling for the entire dungeon, slowing the run by some 25+%, such is unlikely. If the majority of that group generally preferred a normal (full-pull) pace, they'd be just as in the right to kick you for insisting on slowing on the run as you'd be in the right to kick the SAM if s/he were alone in wanting to speed it up but insisted on doing so.

    More importantly, though, if you're single-pulling now, you're never going to get comfortable with more unless you push yourself at some point -- and the sooner the better, for the sake of your average parties' patience in the long term. Any time a DPS pulls for you, that's an excuse to go full out and learn; at worst case, you can blame that DPS if/when you wipe.

    Your job is not to be the sole puller. Your job, like everyone else's, is to speed up the clear as best you can.

    That does include not taking such odd risks as to likely die, but any such risks are absurdly rare, mostly limited to boss cheese, and their dangers quickly unmade by learning precisely how to do said cheese. W2W pulls are not a "risk", but rather the norm.
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    Last edited by Shurrikhan; 02-16-2022 at 08:13 AM.

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    The level of snark and horrible attitude they had was unacceptable though. I wasn't pulling one at a time and frequently pulled up until we reached a barrier. Regardless of if you want me to go faster/slower, it's not hard to be respectful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marxel View Post
    The level of snark and horrible attitude they had was unacceptable though. I wasn't pulling one at a time and frequently pulled up until we reached a barrier. Regardless of if you want me to go faster/slower, it's not hard to be respectful.
    How was the Samurai pulling more if you were going up to the barrier? If they were aggroing stuff before you, then just pull it off them and keep going.
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    There were like two times I thought we hit the barrier but didn’t (hadn’t ran that dungeon in awhile and got it in roulette). Normally I don’t even bother saying anything when someone pulls more but their attitude just really rubbed me the wrong way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marxel View Post
    There were like two times I thought we hit the barrier but didn’t (hadn’t ran that dungeon in awhile and got it in roulette). Normally I don’t even bother saying anything when someone pulls more but their attitude just really rubbed me the wrong way.
    Why get upset? My previous Raid Leader gave me crap at times and I responded playing harder back, or older times of games people literally used profanity to get your backside moving. Need to chill out and just do the pull till you can no longer continue, anything below SHBs is designed with old tool kits in mind, DPS/Tanks/Healers got way more tools compared against old days, it's super easy mode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marxel View Post
    I wasn't pulling one at a time and frequently pulled up until we reached a barrier.
    Then there's no way for the Samurai to have arrived there first without you having failed to use Sprint (or having used it only after engaging, instead of doubling its duration by using it just before the initial pull).

    Regardless of if you want me to go faster/slower, it's not hard to be respectful.
    The level of respect typically considered to be owed will depend on how irregular the situation is and what its most likely explanations are.

    You're no Sprout. You must have done at least 20 levels on DRK already to do Arboretum (Hard), and clearly at least some 70 levels of MSQ dungeons. By that point, most would assume that you are plenty aware of both how much and how to pull. Falling short in either regard would seem more likely to indicate a lack of concern for your role/party than mere ignorance.

    While that doesn't give license for rude speech, had the Samurai asked simply that you then please do your job, they wouldn't likely be in the wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marxel View Post
    There were like two times I thought we hit the barrier but didn’t (hadn’t ran that dungeon in awhile and got it in roulette). Normally I don’t even bother saying anything when someone pulls more but their attitude just really rubbed me the wrong way.
    The only area with apparent barriers that don't require one to kill all the mobs is the bee hallway, for which the norm is to skip the mobs (as they no longer give EXP) and just nuke the wall before fleeing into the boss room. If that was the only time this came to issue, then it's more understandable that you wouldn't know, but you may want to more closely follow the lead of those who do, even if they may be rude about it.
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