New lottery info from Live Letter

[Jojoya]

(think I've caught all the major points now that I watched this part of the Live Letter a second time)

"Each player may only enter the lottery for one plot of land during each lottery period."

Each member of a FC with land purchase permissions will be able to purchase a ticket on behalf of the FC during the same lottery period. This is intentional. With this being a multi-player game, they want the large FCs that have active player communities to have that advantage.

Each entry on behalf of a FC will still require the full purchase price of the plot to be deposited, and the FC will still only be able to purchase a single plot even if more than one member entering for different plots win.

Those who don't win will be refunded in full. Failure to purchase a plot if won will result in loss of the gil (original slide from Nov said it would be half the gil lost so not sure whether they changed their mind or he wasn't being specific about the amount lost).

As of 6.1, there will be 4 ways to purchase: FC lottery, FC first come first serve, individual lottery and individual first come first serve. First come first serve is the same as what we currently have (other than the FC or individual restriction). Each existing ward will be designated as one of these types (subdivisions may be different from the main ward of the same number) but are subject to change each patch based on need. We will be able to confirm what type a ward is in game.

The initial exception: in 6.1, all wards will be using the lottery. If they get feedback indicating strong demand for first come first serve, they will consider designating a few wards as such. They would prefer not to use first come first serve at first because of the potential impact it would create on log in queues. They are looking for players to post their feedback in the forums. Wards would start getting the first come first serve designation when there is more housing available for everyone? I wonder if they're thinking about when new worlds start getting added later this year.

[Shibi]

That will really skew the favour towards the bot players. They aready run 3 or 4 clients, each of those with 8 people is 32 times a better chance at winning than your average bunny-boi in 2B bottoms.

32 times the chance for your average botter.

Then of course, sell leadership in the FC and profit.

(Heck, I have 2 service accounts, so could do 16 times the chance of your average bunny-boi in 2B bottoms)

[Jojoya]

That will really skew the favour towards the bot players. They aready run 3 or 4 clients, each of those with 8 people is 32 times a better chance at winning than your average bunny-boi in 2B bottoms.

32 times the chance for your average botter.

Then of course, sell leadership in the FC and profit.

(Heck, I have 2 service accounts, so could do 16 times the chance of your average bunny-boi in 2B bottoms)

That there will be some advantage is undeniable (bots are always at an advantage) but I'm going to hold off with an opinion about just how much of an advantage this will create for the bot resellers until we see the specifics on the new FC leadership rules and more specific on the housing system (there were some other small changes mentioned back in November that weren't mentioned tonight). I imagine we'll get more detail in one of the 6.1 Live Letters (the first will be March 4th).

I still don't see any useful purpose in first come first serve now they're committed to the lottery system. Just for the sake of fairness it would be better to go lottery so those with lots of time to camp don't have a large advantage over those who don't (bots will be a problem in either situation). First come, first serve doesn't make much sense unless we get back to a point where there are plots sitting vacant for weeks at a time because supply has caught up with demand.

[stulticaeruleum]

That will really skew the favour towards the bot players. They aready run 3 or 4 clients, each of those with 8 people is 32 times a better chance at winning than your average bunny-boi in 2B bottoms.

32 times the chance for your average botter.

Then of course, sell leadership in the FC and profit.

(Heck, I have 2 service accounts, so could do 16 times the chance of your average bunny-boi in 2B bottoms)

Here's the thing, they're also killing fc sales. So no "new" person to the fc may be transferred leadership or be allowed to make sales via placard.

[Yodada]

Here's the thing, they're also killing fc sales. So no "new" person to the fc may be transferred leadership or be allowed to make sales via placard.

Problem is still demand is higher then supply. So FC Selling will still be a thing even under the new rules. It just takes longer. Players are just desperate to hop through every ring of fire to get a property.
So there will still be people to buy an FC even at higher risks now as long the supply provided by Square isnt high enough. And I would bet on it that the Value of Large/Medium will raise to the skies.

[Shibi]

Here's the thing, they're also killing fc sales. So no "new" person to the fc may be transferred leadership or be allowed to make sales via placard.

They are not killing them. They are adding a wait on new members being granted leadership. Simple to do with either the selling leaving their level 1 in for that period, probably just resigning and leaving the FC leaderless, then letting the existing systems move leadership to the new player who bought it. It just delays ownership, doesnt stop this.

A second exploit for FC sales just came to my mind in the other thread. Selling your winning ticket. Goldseller/Housing collector enters 32 times and before claiming the property puts up an ad in a sellers discord to sell their winning ticket. They join the homeless FC, get their gil, are given buy rights, and buy the FC a property with their winning ticket.

[Jojoya]

A second exploit for FC sales just came to my mind in the other thread. Selling your winning ticket. Goldseller/Housing collector enters 32 times and before claiming the property puts up an ad in a sellers discord to sell their winning ticket. They join the homeless FC, get their gil, are given buy rights, and buy the FC a property with their winning ticket.

Unless SE is totally dumb, this will not work. They already announced that joining a new FC will place you into a new member period where you can't be granted land acquisition permissions. If you don't have the permission, then you won't be able to make the actual purchase of the plot.

I don't see SE making the new member period shorter than the land acquisition period after a drawing.

It should be ONE per account…period. Doesn’t matter if you have 1 player or 7 alts. This wouldn’t be fair at all if it was per Alt on an account. <Let’s get 10 accounts with each of us having 8 alts and go bid on it 80 times compared to my once>. Depending on how fair SE makes this, I might have to drop FF. Nothing worst than a game that isn’t fair to everyone.

As much as I agree, I don't think SE's programming for FCs is sophisticated enough for this. Alts within a FC get treated like unique members.

I'm sure SE is trying to make it as fair as they can under the limitations of the current system (why someone who already "has as buyer" a FC house cannot enter for another house for another FC on the same world) but they're not going to be able to cover all the possible exploits for the ward system.

[Fenril7]

I'm sure SE is trying to make it as fair as they can under the limitations of the current system (why someone who already "has as buyer" a FC house cannot enter for another house for another FC on the same world) but they're not going to be able to cover all the possible exploits for the ward system.

Well then, the next best way is to require each “member” to be a certain level (50) and have at least a company rank of Second Lieutenant.

[Nepentha]

Hmm. My question is, and forgive me if I missed it somewhere in there I haven't had coffee yet, is it limited to 1 ticket per *account* or can you basically use all your alts to put in tickets?

[Divinemights]

One ticket per a character.
This is why they are not too concerning with large FC gaining advantage because each FC member would want to get a try on their own personal house too