So, about Zenos... (SPOILERS)

[KageTokage]

After the way Yoshi-P imitated Neo from the Matrix in the Live Letter dodging Zenos questions, I'm pretty sure he's not dead. And Yoshi-P raised some interesting ideas on whether we saw what we thought we saw with his commentary that what we saw in Ultima Thule is shaped by our perceptions. I didn't play XI but from what I've heard described of what dynamis was there, it seems to fit that idea.

So it may not be a matter of bringing him back. Things may not have gone down how we think they did.

That coupled with the mention that 6.1 would be "confusing" is making me really curious, but concerned at the same time given my distaste for some of the Endwalker's narrative choices.

I'm personally hoping it's confusing strictly in the sense that for once, there's no pressing issues that we have to attend to and perhaps just get to go on a little adventure for our obligatory MSQ dungeon.

[Larirawiel]

I guess, we will meet Zenos again in the Pandemonium raid.



Cheers

[kaynide]

After the way Yoshi-P imitated Neo from the Matrix in the Live Letter dodging Zenos questions, I'm pretty sure he's not dead. And Yoshi-P raised some interesting ideas on whether we saw what we thought we saw with his commentary that what we saw in Ultima Thule is shaped by our perceptions. I didn't play XI but from what I've heard described of what dynamis was there, it seems to fit that idea.

So it may not be a matter of bringing him back. Things may not have gone down how we think they did.

Little off topic, just filling in gaps:

Dynamis in FFXI wasn’t a sort of energy, but rather an alternate dimension where “the bad guys won”. Essentially they are just raids set in fallen/“nightmare” versions of the main cities.

Aside from the void/monstrous aspect, it’s probably fair to say the two concepts are entirely alien from one another.

[Garnix]

Impossible to tell for sure.
In my opinion: Not dead.
He simply cannot die.
His soul is probably wandering somewhere on Eorzea.
I mean, the MSQ even reminded us again how easy it is for him to body-swap and leave his own body on the ground...

I wouldn't be surprised if he joins us on our next adventure, hoping to find a way to die.

[Misutoraru]

God, I hope he stays dead this time. He wasn't even a fun-to-hate villain, he was just so... blasé.

This.
Zenos have quite good development in EW, but he is one of those villains that can have no redemption. We have a very satisfying ending with him at the end of 6.0 please stay that way.

All the resurrection in ShB and EW already make those emotional death moment in early game and expansion feel like a joke.

Seeing him again in some echo/flash back is fine, but he have to stay dead

[KageTokage]

In hindsight, I find it a little odd that they never entertained the notion of keeping white auracite around for the sake of dealing with Fandaniel and/or Zenos given that his ability to cheat death in the same manner as the Ascians was spelled out rather plainly.

[GrizzlyTank]

A sizeable portion of the story have had a political tone... A tone that has been repeatedly sabotaged by the presence of Zenos.

Zenos as a primary villain was one of the worst aspects of stomblood, and his resurrection added nothing to the story that couldn't happen without him.

[Conundrum]

Zenos as a primary villain was one of the worst aspects of stomblood, and his resurrection added nothing to the story that couldn't happen without him.

This is a severe problem with the writing I'm noticing...complete inability to remove (ie kill off) any character who is popular with some or all of the fanbase.

Scions don't die.

Emet-Selch has more lives than a cat

Elidibus came back after his teary death scene

etc...

[Mr_Gyactus]

Is he dead again? Because after the ending of Endwalker, I personally don't think his dead. Just body? Sure! But the guy doesn't need his body to still be alive. Ge's practically an Ascian with his Resonant. So, unless he completely burnt all his aether, including the bit that sustains his life force in are final fight, I'm doubting he's dead and I have a feeling he'll return in an expansion or two through dynamism since he was left in that weird plane of it.

Thoughts?

We still have to see his Golden Zenos transformation, and the tournament.

[SaberMaxwell]

We still have to see his Golden Zenos transformation, and the tournament.

Five Nights at Zenos'?