World of Warcraft died because the developers only catered to casuals and world prog

**Vencio** · 03-21-2022 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by Skiros

Guess what, the majority of your playerbase is midcore. Not casual players who have a panic attack when they need to use more than three buttons on their hotbars. Not hardcore players who clear the tier in 16 hours.

Square Enix is on the same trajectory as Blizzard. The sad thing is that the playerbase refuses to see this because of all the blind hype, and this same thing happened in WoW - people couldn't fathom the thought that WoW could be getting worse.

I believe most midcore players will be happy with healers that can do more than two button rotations, for example. People do have brain cells in this game.

FF14 is clearly not catering to the world prog players. So the problem really is the incessant catering of casual players. This will eventually lead to FF14's decline, when you adjust content schedule and delivery to cater to the lowest common denominator, making the traditional midcore crowd dissatisfied and leave. Only reason this is obfuscated is because of all the influx. This game right now is full of new players that have no understanding of the game and have barely participated in the game for more than a tier. And even then I know plenty of WoW players who have quit after literally just one tier because the drought is even worse than in WoW.

People mock WoW's peaks and falls between expansions, but FF14's drops are bigger, sometimes by 50%.

What exactly does casual/hardcore defines?

Every game has its cycle & has held their top primes & it’s natural to see its decline over time no matter how dissapointing, sad or glorious it may be; that’s life & walk on.

Whatever goals you set on the game they’re on your owm accord as it is everybody’s & frankly it’s responsibility ultimately in how you invest your time on it.

What’s sad on the other hand it’s that individuals lose the element of enjoying & going through the game’s journey with those you’ve befriended. To me that’s worth more than anything in the game,

After all,

Every patch & expansion with things in general are useful & ultimately do become obsolete at the end; for instance 530 gear was a huge trajectory grind back in ShB at the height of its supremacy that drove most other’s to obtain & now its obsolete & so too will EW’s gearing sorts,

WoW is not dead, rather under its decline & it already had its prime throughout the years

**IdowhatIwant** · 03-21-2022 02:33 AM

Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Again I disagree with that since in roulettes youre not guaranteed to have people whom are top level players who can survive without healing. Healers in most content are a necessity for general survival in normal casual play where not everyone is expected to be optimal.

You state that it has to do with playing optimal, but unfortunately that is just the current design. The unavoidable damage is not high enough to warrant a devoted healer, the amount of healing a tank has it to high to warrent a devoted healer, and even the avoidable damage is not high enough to 1 shot DPS classes. The only thing a healer really is there for, is to keep up DPS that fail to move, or DPS that won't use defensive CDS or CDs to heal themselves as well. So I would not really say it is about optimal game play, I think it is an issue with design that has not been addressed for far to long until it reached this point.

The reality is Yoshi P thinks healers are designed to only heal and that the content requires healers to only heal. In the actual game, healers are playing like a one button DPS (AKA Summoner) that has OGCD targeted heals that are hardly needed due to the issues above.

**Larirawiel** · 03-21-2022 04:34 AM

Asmongold describes exactly what Blizzard is doing wrong:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB_qZEsFtDo

Hint: if they introduce content, that people do not like, then they force the players to do that content.

**Jojoya** · 03-21-2022 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Denji

op's clearly a troll because the wow devs only ever cared about endgame lmfao.
there is literally no endgame for any casual player in wow. i would know, i used to be subbed for years and years.

You've either got a strange definition of casual endgame content or you didn't play WoW for years and years as you claim.

Dailies and the world quests that replaced them
Crafting and gathering
Dungeons (other than Challenge mode in MoP/WoD and Mythic+ since)
Pet battles (sure you could do them before endgame but the reality is we'd all rush to level cap before we'd do them, making them endgame content)
Solo farms of old raid content for minions/mounts/transmog

Whether or not you enjoyed those things, they were all casual endgame content.

What do you consider casual end game content?

**VirusOnline** · 03-21-2022 09:16 PM