World of Warcraft died because the developers only catered to casuals and world prog

[Ixon]

Furthermore, S.E. is either not listening to players or is seriously misunderstanding our input. You just have to look at dark knights and monks, two jobs which were fun when they were introduced but are now red hot messes to play.

As a HW DRK fan, I believe the explanation for those changes were due the devs specifically wanting to have the gap between the skill floor and skill ceiling as small as possible and also lowering the skill floor required to play those jobs even remotely well. People complain how hard you have to carry a bad DRK now, when it was WAY worse in HW due to the attention required to maintain your MP that was the key to both offensive and defensive abilities that also controlled your tank stance swapping(which cost MP for those who don't know). While many people, myself included, enjoyed the mechanics of it all, it's skill floor was buffed(or nerfed depending how you see it), so more casual players could adopt it and not be a complete disaster of a party member. Same thing applied to MNK.

Now if the devs main goal was to shrink the gap between skill floor and ceiling as much as possible, I believe they have achieved it in EW, but if I was speaking honestly I wish they would increase the ceiling by a tiny bit just so more hardcore and veteran players have more to do and more to optimize at a high end level gameplay.

[Kacho_Nacho]

You don't need your job stone, job quests, you can enter most instances with quite old gear and the gameplay may not depend on parses/combat analyzers so in case of 1/1/2 tank nor healer can have any heavy responsibility Trinity design needs a trinity but to be super friendly to any skill level they just made it "simple". And they now want FF franchise players that do not play FF14 due to it online nature to come in and play solo, with Trust and so on. Theoretically it's a much wider audience than for anything competitive.

Good point. But, I can't help but feel that in their quest to bring in that wider audience, SE is losing players who want more in their job's gameplay. There's got to be a middle road.

As a HW DRK fan, I believe the explanation for those changes were due the devs specifically wanting to have the gap between the skill floor and skill ceiling as small as possible and also lowering the skill floor required to play those jobs even remotely well. People complain how hard you have to carry a bad DRK now, when it was WAY worse in HW due to the attention required to maintain your MP that was the key to both offensive and defensive abilities that also controlled your tank stance swapping(which cost MP for those who don't know). While many people, myself included, enjoyed the mechanics of it all, it's skill floor was buffed(or nerfed depending how you see it), so more casual players could adopt it and not be a complete disaster of a party member. Same thing applied to MNK.

Now if the devs main goal was to shrink the gap between skill floor and ceiling as much as possible, I believe they have achieved it in EW, but if I was speaking honestly I wish they would increase the ceiling by a tiny bit just so more hardcore and veteran players have more to do and more to optimize at a high end level gameplay.

*emphasis mine*

Exactly. I am by no means a hardcore player but I do wish my favorite job hadn't been simplified into a glare mage. I want to feel rewarded for good play.