Another raid complaint

[Jirah]

It's got nothing to do with WAR's really. That's just one result of the main problem, that raids don't do enough damage. 8 WAR groups don't affect the normal player, they're hardly going to be denied a slot in PF because everyone's stacking tanks, most people still take the usual 2/2/4 comp. What does affect the normal player is the boredom of pressing 1 button all fight and throwing an occasional aoe heal at the raidwides that tickle you once in a while. Even if you nerf WAR healing to the ground, that won't change.

Agreed. One of two things need to change :

Either have Healer be demoted to “support” and have a pseudo beta magical ranged offensive kit

Or the other option would be to buff all raid wides and or add more in fights and increase potency of all raid and non raid damage by 200% and create a lot more instances for the average healer kit to be useful and mandatory examples being Doom, off key tank busters on other party members, enfiblements ect.

As much as I want them to nerf warrior as it makes a lot of dungeon runs very boring, I’d rather see a change in healer design first

[IDontPetLalas]

Agreed. One of two things need to change :

Either have Healer be demoted to “support” and have a pseudo beta magical ranged offensive kit

Or the other option would be to buff all raid wides and or add more in fights and increase potency of all raid and non raid damage by 200% and create a lot more instances for the average healer kit to be useful and mandatory examples being Doom, off key tank busters on other party members, enfiblements ect.

As much as I want them to nerf warrior as it makes a lot of dungeon runs very boring, I’d rather see a change in healer design first

Your 'other option' still wouldn't fix anything to do with any content outside of group content. I wouldn't word it exactly like your first option, but yes, your first option would be preferable. incidentally i wouldn't see that as a demotion in any way, it would be a design change.

[Caurcas]

I mean UCoB was all tank cleared back in SB. It was not uncommon to see even this back in some HW ex trials. It's not a new thing.

[Krotoan]

For the first time in.. a very long while I'm gonna have to Agree with Caurcas here..

what's the matter with 8 Wars clearing it?

I can see the complaint for making healers more involved, but that shouldn't necessarily translate to: Nerf War.


Maybe buff/change healers?

[KizuyaKatogami]

For the first time in.. a very long while I'm gonna have to Agree with Caurcas here..

what's the matter with 8 Wars clearing it?

I can see the complaint for making healers more involved, but that shouldn't necessarily translate to: Nerf War.


Maybe buff/change healers?

For me it’s the fact that this is literally current content and it’s already been done with purely war’s. That at some level shows some form of imbalance. I could understand if this was a tier or two in the past but it’s literally current content. I mean War’s can already solo dungeons basically but that’s not really the problem here. It’s just moreso to do with the fact clearly, heal checks aren’t that severe. And with their philosophy of healers and 1 dps button, it’s a bit ridiculous. The problem here is not enough people are talking about healers. Because it’s such a less played role most people don’t care since it doesn’t affect them.

[Xtrasweettea]

It's honestly pretty tame to the no-healer stuff we used to do in FFXI.

Example: 18 man monk Divine Might fight (play with video muted, bad rock music plays over this)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrjuujP_nn0

In FFXI, dieing can set you back days worth of progress between a combination of EXP loss and item loss. These guys doing the whole fight with just monks was risky. Especially for this fight: where these bosses had two jobs (example: PLD and WHM) on top of dealing a good amount of damage and having huge HP pools.

This required much more coordination and risk acceptance than that 8 man WAR P2S in FF14.

[Knot_D]

Who needs healer anyways when WAR can solves everything?

[kpxmanifesto]

Who needs healer anyways when WAR can solves everything?

Don't need dps either. WAR can truly solve everything.

[RobynDaBank]

"The fact that a tank-only composition can still clear current content shows that healing requirements are too low."
"Sounds like a WAR problem to me!"

Not even surprised.

[Aword3213]

"The fact that a tank-only composition can still clear current content shows that healing requirements are too low."
"Sounds like a WAR problem to me!"

Not even surprised.

Not just healing requirements though, dps requirements are pretty low, too.

Healers are not the only role being excluded from tank-only comps.