Roulette Exploits

[HyperiusUltima]

There's a rather easy way to fix Alliance Roulette: Just do a check on Level while making sure iLv is a requirement to ACCESS the Roulette, similarly to why we always put a iLv requirement to enter Expert Roulette and X0 Roulette.

Crystal Tower Alliance Raid Roulette: Lv 50, min iLv 90.
Void Ark Alliance Raid Roulette: Lv 60, min iLv 235
Ivalice Alliance Raid Roulette: Lv 70, min iLv 365
Nier Alliance Raid Roulette: Lv 80, min iLv 495

Going by the iLv requires from the top of the Alliance Raids, you'd see at Lv 50 - 59 you'd have Crystal Tower with a iLv requirement of 90 to access the roulette. However, once you hit Lv 60, the Alliance Raid Roulette bumps up to i235, along with clearance requirements to access with each expansion you hit level cap on. This would prevent any issues with people just going naked to always get Labyrinth, and would allow more variety in roulettes for those who are higher level.

[Azuri]

2PM Gmt -3 on Sunday, NA servers, Puppet's Bunker. It is included on roulette, so there's no reason it should take THAT long to find a party. Considering we have 4 series of Alliances so far, 12 raids in total, every raid should have an equal 8.3% chance of showing up in a roulette queue, unless of course someone is exploiting a system mechanic to eliminate some of the possible results.

You are simply wrong. The chances are skewed towards Crystal Tower raids by a multitude of factors.

- It's the only Allinace Raid required for MSQ, it's common for players to not even unlock the other ones.
- Any player of lower level will drag the entire party to those raids, this doesn't apply vice versa.
- CT raids are relevant for a number of relic quests.

So no, the chance is indeed not 8.3% for all of them.

[Poporito_Popoto]

I don't know about you guys, but i'm getting pretty sick of people exploiting the Roulette matchmaking system to force low level duties. When is this getting patched out? I want to be able to actually play a higher level duty without waiting for hours.

Be a tank or healer. Done.

[Johners]

It's technically not an exploit as you're not tricking the game into thinking you have a lower item level, you're merely unequipping gear so you queue in at a lower item level. Now, given that higher item level = better, it should just queue you on the highest item level you can equip from your inventory (although you could just store in a retainer as a workaround there).

Now, I'm not saying it's right to do this but appreciate why people do it. Crystal Tower alliance raids, and a large chunk of ARR content in general in pretty much every queue, is a braindead zerg that saves a ton of time. I'd rather burst through CT in 15-20 minutes than spend 35-40 minutes doing Nier or Ivalice raids. Likewise, getting a level 50 ARR trial is much better than getting Zodiark normal and watching people fail to movement mechanics for 30 minutes.

I'm aware that the intended design of the roulette system is to keep players populating all queues so new players get into content as quickly as possible, but I've done a lot of this enough times already that I want to be in-and-out with no problems. We're in the raid logging territory of the expansion right now until the next tier drops, I don't want to be soft progressing content again and especially that from older expansions.

[KageTokage]

For a long while people have also been using certain less-then-legit methods to tell what instance they're getting from the roulette in advance and immediately backing out if the game queues or starts queueing them into an instance they don't like so they can avoid an immediate penalty.

I'm not sure if they can actually do anything to fix that particular problem, though.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

Remove the ability to change gear when you que. You already can't join parties, and when you get matched you can only commence or withdraw.

Unless they actually que in looking like Jackass' Party Boy and not glamoured, in which case should be reportable if it isn't.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

There's a rather easy way to fix Alliance Roulette: Just do a check on Level while making sure iLv is a requirement to ACCESS the Roulette, similarly to why we always put a iLv requirement to enter Expert Roulette and X0 Roulette.

Crystal Tower Alliance Raid Roulette: Lv 50, min iLv 90.
Void Ark Alliance Raid Roulette: Lv 60, min iLv 235
Ivalice Alliance Raid Roulette: Lv 70, min iLv 365
Nier Alliance Raid Roulette: Lv 80, min iLv 495

Going by the iLv requires from the top of the Alliance Raids, you'd see at Lv 50 - 59 you'd have Crystal Tower with a iLv requirement of 90 to access the roulette. However, once you hit Lv 60, the Alliance Raid Roulette bumps up to i235, along with clearance requirements to access with each expansion you hit level cap on. This would prevent any issues with people just going naked to always get Labyrinth, and would allow more variety in roulettes for those who are higher level.

I can already see people would avoid unlocking Lv60-80 raids.

[ForteNightshade]

I can already see people would avoid unlocking Lv60-80 raids.

Easy solution to that is simply making it a prerequisite to access Alliance Roulette not unlike how Expert Roulettes gets locked every time patch that releases a new dungeon. How would that work? Put it behind finishing each expansion's final quest just like Crystal Tower.

For example sake on how this could work. If you have a level 70 job, you must have unlocked and completed all three Ivalice raids, and then meet the min ilvl for Orbonne Monastery to access Alliance Roulette.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Remove the ability to change gear when you que. You already can't join parties, and when you get matched you can only commence or withdraw.

Unless they actually que in looking like Jackass' Party Boy and not glamoured, in which case should be reportable if it isn't.

Um no, some people like me go do other stuff like hunts, FATES or beast tribes while we wait for queue and usually I toggle between jobs while I'm at it.

[Aword3213]

Removing equipment to manipulate Alliance Roulette is pretty common in my data center.
There're lots of people openly embrace such idea and even share this exploit to new players. There're even tutorials for it in private discord servers and unofficial forums.
To make matters worse, even if you queue specifically for certain high level alliance raids, The Ridorana Lighthouse for example, you will see many people withdrawing during mutliple DUTY POP. A work of a certain third-party tool I'm sure.
Knowing this, I avoided doing Alliance Roulette once I reached max level in ShB, and will do so again once I maxed out all my jobs in EW.

As for addressing such exploits, I think lowering max IL in synched Crystal Tower raids to a degree that that players actually have to do mechanics is a good way to go., but that's just my opinion.