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    Aikaal's Avatar
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    Aikaal Leyma
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    Button bloat and patch balance

    Remember when they removed Kaiten and pissed off a lot of Samurais to the point they were too scared to change Dragoons and Astrologians just yet?



    I firmly believe this is an extra button on my bars. It is QoL for Dragoons I will say. Button bloat is actually beneficial.

    Also, Reaper getting buffed because they are behind other melees when other melees got buffed because they were behind Reaper. Meanwhile, no change to ranged physical and caster DPS (no need to buff BLM again)

    I don't know if I should laugh or cry about this.
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    I said it before and I'll say it again: Their balance devs are 100% not worth their salary. Drunk monkeys can do a better job than this.
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    Alexya Ultor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruminous View Post
    I said it before and I'll say it again: Their balance devs are 100% not worth their salary. Drunk monkeys can do a better job than this.
    I, unfortunately, need to agree with this. Perhaps they were great before hand, but it certainly seems as if they are suffering from burnout now, and are instead adopting a "fuck it" mentality when it comes to the overall direction of job changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure View Post
    I still wouldn't do it [double weave oGCD's on GNB] because there is a good chance to mess up the rotation and it can easily cause a wipe because of server ticks.

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    For Samurai it wasn't just losing a button to press but more fundamentally changing how the class plays. There's no change to how Dragoon plays by making Mirage Dive its own button again.
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    The Funny thing is they reverted to good change they made for Dragoon by combining High Jump and Mirage Dive but refuse to do anything about the bad changes they made to Samurai. Are they smoking the same stuff as Riot Games because this is on the same level as their 2 armor nerfs they like to do but at least those can be explained as "placebo nerfs", I can't come up with any explanations for these changes. Well at least none that would stand up to scrutiny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinglessEvilAngel View Post
    The Funny thing is they reverted to good change they made for Dragoon by combining High Jump and Mirage Dive but refuse to do anything about the bad changes they made to Samurai. Are they smoking the same stuff as Riot Games because this is on the same level as their 2 armor nerfs they like to do but at least those can be explained as "placebo nerfs", I can't come up with any explanations for these changes. Well at least none that would stand up to scrutiny.
    At this point I just view it as spite from the Dev's.

    The argument I read often about jobs needing to go through changes, ha! I have not seen this argument being applicable to say BLM that has not changed at all.

    The feedback being ignored and no response is with silence is awful. And they will pretty much get away with it by sweeping it under the rug " as pretty much predicted " cause most will be to preoccupied to care about it with other content or other jobs or what have u. Makes giving feedback, which they told us to do, pretty pointless.

    Heck I'll accept the changes better at this point if they gave us the blizzard treatment of " telling us to just f off " cause then at least I get the message clearly rather then this silence. But it's a Win/Win. Acknowledging us? means Acknowledging anything that was done wrong. Which forces them to make a response that will make other players notice it. Then again the JP forums aren't' happy either at this very moment. Which probably also will be ignored. I am not far off with my predictions, and I'd like to be wrong... but I am trying to be realistic here.
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    Aikaal Leyma
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    I personally just lost faith with what they did to Summoner. I'm going on ahead and make a prediction the 4th caster will have similar mobility than Summoner because a lot of people just enjoy the new Summoner when it isn't a real caster anymore.

    They ruined the caster playstyle of Summoner
    They butchered the identity of Samurai
    They keep buffing melees (buffing Reaper being behind other melees when they buffed melees who were behind Reaper earlier)
    They keep failing to understand why people are upset about Machinist

    You can clear with any comp but in theory, let's be real, you'll never see double ranged physical in a raid comp. The flex spot is autoed to a second melee or Black Mage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    I personally just lost faith with what they did to Summoner. I'm going on ahead and make a prediction the 4th caster will have similar mobility than Summoner because a lot of people just enjoy the new Summoner when it isn't a real caster anymore.

    They ruined the caster playstyle of Summoner
    They butchered the identity of Samurai
    They keep buffing melees (buffing Reaper being behind other melees when they buffed melees who were behind Reaper earlier)
    They keep failing to understand why people are upset about Machinist

    You can clear with any comp but in theory, let's be real, you'll never see double ranged physical in a raid comp. The flex spot is autoed to a second melee or Black Mage.

    Even if currently the devs are not going in the right direction, because there is clearly a lack or a total absence of listening despite the feedback from the players around the world, I think we must always keep hope that they will reconsider their decisions, currently the melee dps are too strong, especially the ninja outdps everyone,the summoner is only a shadow of himself, the casters have a rather bad balance, and the machinists and sam can still have tears of salt, especially the machinist. :s
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    Quote Originally Posted by remiff View Post
    Even if currently the devs are not going in the right direction, because there is clearly a lack or a total absence of listening despite the feedback from the players around the world, I think we must always keep hope that they will reconsider their decisions, currently the melee dps are too strong, especially the ninja outdps everyone,the summoner is only a shadow of himself, the casters have a rather bad balance, and the machinists and sam can still have tears of salt, especially the machinist. :s
    Once a great and wise friend of mine told me that "Hope" was a terrible plan as if hope fails, you have no backup plan.

    If it was just one thing I wouldn't mind too much but I believe Endwalker is just the worst expansion balancing wise.

    It's good to have good faith and hope but it's been 6.0, 6.1 and 6.2 now. Machinist is still rotten bad. Black Mage is still getting favoritism. Melees get buff over buffs because they don't want a worst melee lol :<
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    Once a great and wise friend of mine told me that "Hope" was a terrible plan as if hope fails, you have no backup plan.

    If it was just one thing I wouldn't mind too much but I believe Endwalker is just the worst expansion balancing wise.

    It's good to have good faith and hope but it's been 6.0, 6.1 and 6.2 now. Machinist is still rotten bad. Black Mage is still getting favoritism. Melees get buff over buffs because they don't want a worst melee lol :<
    I know it well, but endwalker has been a balancing mess since its release, they change their vision of a ''good balance'' with each extension, and they just don't listen to the players' opinion since endwalker's release,
    the previous expansion the bard was the ugly duckling of the devs, except now it's the casters ''blm not included, machinist, and all complaints are totally ignored,
    of course they don't listen the feedback from a lot of jobs and not only the jobs that I mentioned.

    However the community managers do their jobs correctly by sending our feedback.
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    Last edited by remiff; 08-24-2022 at 04:03 AM.

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