Yoshi P... Please dont listen to subscribers!

[Daku_Naito]

Even when people get what they want they still complain though..so it's hard to please people that cannot realistically be pleased. It's like trying to please a cat in heat.

(and I hope to god people know that reference >.>)

Not true, if they get something they like, they move on to something else. improving the game.

Under no definition of the word are we investors, we are consumers.

Investors, invest a specific amount of money into a project or company with the understanding that they will see a return on that intial investment, in the form of clear monetary returns. They invest primarily in the company though, hoping to reap the profits as a whole, very rarely does an investor put money into a single project, especially when we're talking about large multinational companies like Square-Enix.

As CONSUMERS of a fee based product we want a return on our payments in the form of a desirable product that we will enjoy and continue to consume...


Yeah, no matter how you cut it, investor is not the correct term for what we are

Really, I thought investors invest for some sort of profit, not distinctly monetary, but profit in general. Are you 100% positive it is just monetary? Anyways, we've made a monetary gain by saving money on the final product.

All depends on the Feedback, The only feedback that should really be taken into consideration is Bugs and technical Difficulties, and some Feedback that deals with the game. Overall, he really should be doing his on thing, making the game through his eyes, not the gamers eyes..

Aiming to please the crowd? Kinda hard when alot of people have their own ways of thinking what is good and what is bad, but I feel as a player of any game in general, that I want to play the Companies game, not Player's opinions. Everyone's opinion differs from another, some way or another. The best thing any developer should do, is make the game the way they want it.

That said, I really hope 2.0 is the imagination of Yoshi-P and not the players. If Yoshi-P choose to take Feedback Game related to the game, then that's his decision and his alone, if that makes a game good then I'm all for it.

It isn't that hard to please the crowd, if people are still playing, they are somewhat pleased with the game, that doesn't mean they don't want to improve their experience, because they do, which is why they complain, to aim for more. It is a natural human thing to do.

[Starlord]

Not true, if they get something they like, they move on to something else. improving the game.



Really, I thought investors invest for some sort of profit, not distinctly monetary, but profit in general. Are you 100% positive it is just monetary? Anyways, we've made a monetary gain by saving money on the final product.



It isn't that hard to please the crowd, if people are still playing, they are somewhat pleased with the game, that doesn't mean they don't want to improve their experience, because they do, which is why they complain, to aim for more. It is a natural human thing to do.

You also have to take into consideration the 450k+ people that left the game that weren't pleased with the game, and these forums comprise of like 1k at max out of the 20k people playing the game.. the Feedback if anything should be coming from the people that totally left the game... SE wants the 450k back, listening to 1k people opinions isn't the way to go.

That's why they do the players poll, to get an Idea what would people prefer to have, then Yoshi-P acts accordingly, but still keeping his vision in mind all at the same time.

In anyrate, Lets hope 2.0 is what brings the people back no matter how they do it, and we can all play in Harmony =).

[Daku_Naito]

You also have to take into consideration the 450k+ people that left the game that weren't pleased with the game, and these forums comprise of like 1k at max out of the 20k people playing the game.. the Feedback if anything should be coming from the people that totally left the game... SE wants the 450k back, listening to 1k people opinions isn't the way to go.

That's why they do the players poll, to get an Idea what would people prefer to have, then Yoshi-P acts accordingly, but still keeping his vision in mind all at the same time.

In anyrate, Lets hope 2.0 is what brings the people back no matter how they do it, and we can all play in Harmony =).

I have to disagree. Yes they want the 450000 players back, but that simply won't happen through small polls, especially polls that not even 1% of the ones that left took. They have to look to the remaining players for feedback. That is how the game will grow and improve. They are never going to forget the remaining players like you suspect.

[viion]

You also have to take into consideration the 450k+ people that left the game that weren't pleased with the game, and these forums comprise of like 1k at max out of the 20k people playing the game.. the Feedback if anything should be coming from the people that totally left the game... SE wants the 450k back, listening to 1k people opinions isn't the way to go.

This completely mind-boggles me as well! (i agree with u).

Its like SE said

"Ok half a million people left our game ..."
"I NOE!!!"
"lets prevent them from telling us why they left!"
"YES GREAT THINKING!"

And the forums were like YAYAY lets get rid of all the trolls who dont play but still post yaya (Even tho there was like 5 people...)

And now the game is shaped by only playing people, because, it makes perfect sense to not want new customers, nooo only keep existing ones! And if they stop paying, they must PAY to have an OPINION! Oh yeh forgot its SE...

And then we come to Yoshi saying "Tell your friends to come back" lolwut?

[Pandastirfry]

Not true, if they get something they like, they move on to something else. improving the game.



Really, I thought investors invest for some sort of profit, not distinctly monetary, but profit in general. Are you 100% positive it is just monetary? Anyways, we've made a monetary gain by saving money on the final product.



It isn't that hard to please the crowd, if people are still playing, they are somewhat pleased with the game, that doesn't mean they don't want to improve their experience, because they do, which is why they complain, to aim for more. It is a natural human thing to do.

Just going to answer the bit directed at me.


Profits are money, and money above intial invest are profits. Typically an investor will put in a set amount based on a garunteed percentage "return on investment" one time investors will pull out after they have made as much as they care to risk, while continued investors will put a portion of their profits back in to the company with the intention to continue to make more.

An investor doesn't really in the end care about product quality, they just care that it sells, that's why Barbie horse adventure never has to turn to kick starter to get made, it will make enough that it is an acceptable risk to investors, and why untested indie games routinely die on the vine.

[Daku_Naito]

Just going to answer the bit directed at me.


Profits are money, and money above intial invest are profits. Typically an investor will put in a set amount based on a garunteed percentage "return on investment" one time investors will pull out after they have made as much as they care to risk, while continued investors will put a portion of their profits back in to the company with the intention to continue to make more.

An investor doesn't really in the end care about product quality, they just care that it sells, that's why Barbie horse adventure never has to turn to kick starter to get made, it will make enough that it is an acceptable risk to investors, and why untested indie games routinely die on the vine.

Thanks for the reply, also I wasn't trying to be condescending. It was an honest question. I am a PEngineering major, I won't try to pretend like I know more then someone in the field. Though the discount given is a gain. As well as several other opportunities.

[Pandastirfry]

Thanks for the reply, also I wasn't trying to be condescending. It was an honest question. I am a PEngineering major, I won't try to pretend like I know more then someone in the field. Though the discount given is a gain. As well as several other opportunities.

Heh, not in the field, actually I'm a chef, but the business principles are the same. Basically for me the frame of reference is this, I'll find more investors to help me open a McDonald's far easier than opening a, let's say, Indian-Carribiean tapas bar in an untested market. No one wants to throw they usually over 10-20mil to open a restaurant if they think it's going to fail in 3 months.

[Daku_Naito]

Heh, not in the field, actually I'm a chef, but the business principles are the same. Basically for me the frame of reference is this, I'll find more investors to help me open a McDonald's far easier than opening a, let's say, Indian-Carribiean tapas bar in an untested market. No one wants to throw they usually over 10-20mil to open a restaurant if they think it's going to fail in 3 months.

Yeah, I meant just someone who knows what they are talking about really well ^^