Thread: Making the case for a new starting point in 7.0

Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Dude, you couldn't even convince me to put up with 400 hours of story just to get to Reaper and Sage naturally let alone suffer through ARR in its current state just to unlock Dark Knight. The time investment is too high, regardless of how great you think the experience is. It's none of your business how I or others choose to play this game. You need to accept this.

Asking for more battle content in an rpg is not a bad thing, and it also isn't a bad thing considering this is an mmorpg. I am happy that you derive such a high degree of enjoyment from the story, but you do not get to dictate or force others to go through it if they want to get to X feature/job/raid/literally whatever the reason. I'm not asking for the option to start at endgame-

Is it really that bad if someone wants to start off as the cool-looking dark knight class instead of a "gladiator?"

Is it really that bad that someone would rather start their adventure passing through the gates of Ishgard into the castle in the sky that looks so amazing instead of Gridania, which is basically just a random forest village?

Maybe they don't care about the whole cosmic conflict between Hydaelyn and Zodiark and want to go adventure in Meracydia or Corvos in 7.0.

And so on.

Also, rewards come from literally every piece of content in the game. Trust me, casual players are not hurting for rewards when compared to endgame. A few dyeable gearsets and weapons, but that's pretty much it for the hardcore crowd. Those are some tough fights-of course they've earned a little bit of an extra reward.

As someone whose been around since ARR, I find your attitude just...perplexing. This isn't about you, it's about adding qol and convenience for new people. Goodness.

There is some merit in arguing you should be able to start as any class, but that isn't what you're asking for.

And please just stop with the doe eyed innocent act of pretending you're doing this for everyone, it's not fooling anyone. "QoL" and "convenience" are not skipping the entire game so you can start demanding moar raids because you skipped 95% of the content.

Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Sounds great, I still am not convinced that new players should bow to your desires and be forced to pay for a boost to start at the more interesting points of the story, and another to gain access to the more interesting classes, regardless of whether they want to go raid or just experience the expansion stories they prefer. Again, it isn't any of your business and the more content that gets added for battle classes? the better. Because Shadowbringers frontloading us with Ishgard restoration made for a painful content lull until Bozja finally released.

Except for the part where bowing to your demands would absolutely negatively impact everyone who isn't a raider. But you knew that already.

Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Sorry but nope. Some random guy deciding he wants to start the game as a dark knight and go fight dragons doesn't affect you directly. Another one who wants to start as a reaper in Shadowbringers is also none of your business. They will proceed to do whatever they want, and if they eventually decide to ask for more battle content they are free to do so.

OK, I'm done arguing with you. Not actually addressing anything specific I said and you just keep derping out "nu uh, it don't affect you". When history has shown repeatedly that it does.

Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

As someone whose been around since ARR, I find your attitude just...perplexing. This isn't about you, it's about adding qol and convenience for new people. Goodness.

If those are remotely opposed, and you side with new people over Conundrum's happiness, though... Sorry, mate, but you just outed yourself as a hardcore raider.

Wanting QoL? Obvious raider dogwhistle is obvious.

Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Sounds great, I still am not convinced that new players should bow to your desires and be forced to pay for a boost to start at the more interesting points of the story, and another to gain access to the more interesting classes, regardless of whether they want to go raid or just experience the expansion stories they prefer. Again, it isn't any of your business and the more content that gets added for battle classes? the better. Because Shadowbringers frontloading us with Ishgard restoration made for a painful content lull until Bozja finally released.

More interesting to who? This is exactly the sort of mindset that many on this thread are speaking against. Playing to the idea of "X is when the REAL game starts" caters to the mindset that anything before that point is unimportant and can be ignored and that's never been a position the devs have advocated for.

Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Sorry but nope. Some random guy deciding he wants to start the game as a dark knight and go fight dragons doesn't affect you directly. Another one who wants to start as a reaper in Shadowbringers is also none of your business. They will proceed to do whatever they want, and if they eventually decide to ask for more battle content they are free to do so.

Which is not only heavily subjective but to a lot of people they'll lose on long-term investment if they're not encouraged to go through from the beginning. I dont care what you think. The narrative is "actual content", there's a story being told in this MMORPG. How about stop discouraging people to skip parts of a game when playing a story driven rpg is the main course. I get that this is an MMO and I'm all for at least introducing some group content for those wanting to play with friends early on but not at the expense of robbing people of the whole experience. FFXIV isnt just about the end-game heck we already have people complaining in this forum how this game should have more endgame content! That just shows how there's already not a lot to go through when you get to current patch content and youre expecting people to get retention from it!? They'll soon leave if people like you tell them the rest of the story and previous content is trash and they find there's not a lot of "endgame" to do when they boost to the end.

You have been parroting the exact same raid first, story never rhetoric that's been in use ever since MMO raiding had been invented. Just stop, please. The devs and the majority of the player base have shown their preference and your ever present equivalent of "think of the children!" is extremely malicious and an argument in bad faith.

If someone wants to skip, they can shell out the money for it. Free skips should never be a thing.