How many times have you stood at a plaque lately?

[Avatre]

Not since the newest wards for Shirogane were released...stood at a large, wondered if I had enough money for it, was short 8mil, ran to a mid, and got that. I don't stand at placards trying to get a house. I'll enter the lottery for a house, depending on what island sanctuary is like, either for myself or my FC. Otherwise, I don't bother standing at placards

[LadySharps]

I never stated that I believe it's a fairer system, nor will I argue the straw man fallacy your creating by insinuating that I did state that.

In fact it was quite the opposite, I even gave credit to the lottery system itself. However I do think extra effort towards something should give you an upper hand.

[Krotoan]

However I do think extra effort towards something should give you an upper hand.

Extra effort shouldn't always be rewarded. Especially in a video game that touts valuing the players time. Encouraging damaging or obsessive behavior and giving an edge to those who game the system to acquire a limited resource only breeds frustration and contempt.

This is saying just because you put a lot into something you should get something out of it, always.

Criminals (alright.. SMART criminals) put a lot of effort into their plans and some put a lot of physical effort into executing their plans. Should they just succeed because they tried hard? Should someone force a relationship with someone else just because the person trying to initiate the relationship is trying hard and putting a lot of effort in it? No.

There are lots of other factors such as morality, game vision, distribution and overall satisfaction with the game to be considered over "they tried hard, they should get something for it. ".


What is being implemented is OBJECTIVELY more fair than the previous system for a release of an entirely new area.

[Jojoya]

Do you then disagree that the systems can co-exist?

It's not a question of "can they co-exist". Obviously it's possible.

The question is should they co-exist. For most of us, that answer appears to be "No".

FCFS would allow a select portion of the player base to double-dip into the system to gain an advantage in acquiring a house. It also heavily favors those who use bots then go AFK to do other things so aren't actually investing their time in trying to obtain the plot compared to those who are present and are investing their time.

If SE wants the system to be fair for all, then it needs to be a uniform system that every one uses.

However I do think extra effort towards something should give you an upper hand.

While I believe extra effort deserves greater reward, that's not what is happening with the FCFS system. There's far too much RNG involved and someone who has devoted hundreds of hours to get a house can still lose out to a player who just decided 5 minutes earlier to try to get their first house.

Also, most of those who end up winning under FCFS aren't putting in extra effort at all. They're botting.

I feel there is an ulterior motive for all these people asking for first come first served.

I wonder if they've got something setup to bot getting them for resale or something (I mean more complex than a placard bot). I have no proof of that of course...but something smells likes the Limsa Docks.

Of course there's an ulterior motive. They feel that system gives them a significant advantage because competition is greatly reduced (and they'd be right).\\

If they just somehow added some type of gardening system to apartments (like a plant stand) I would not even think about buying a house at all, that's the only thing making me think of it.

There is a gardening system in apartments using flowerpots. You can't intercross to get new seeds but you can grow every seed in the game (which can't be said for the outdoor garden patches that won't grow the decorative flowers), and you can use the Shroud topsoil to increase yield.

I know players dislike the cost of Thavairian Onions on the MB but there's a reason for those prices - it's a headache to get the seed in the first place then a headache to grow it.

I wonder with how many people one has to compete when a plot gets free with FCFS. Is it 10 to 20? Or even less? I don't know. I think with the lottery system it would be way more, so the chances to win are smaller. But I could be wrong. Just curious.

It's not about improving their chances of winning. It's about having the time available to camp in the first place during the limited window the house is on the timer.

Having 2 hours 3 nights a week available to play the game is going to be less than entertaining if you're spending all 6 of those hours placard camping trying to get a house. For most players, that translates into zero chance to get a house because being online and at the placard at the moment the timer releases is far less likely. With the lottery, they can take 2 minutes to buy their entry for the lottery period and spend the remaining 5 hours and 58 minutes playing the rest of the game. Even being one entry out of 500 is better odds than having no entry at all.

As much as I believe effort should be rewarded, the housing system still does not reward effort under FCFS. It rewards luck. If it's going to come down to luck, might as well just use the lottery system which is also luck based so players can spend their time doing other things.

[AbysmalDuck]

Guarantee OP already has a house.

[LadySharps]

*OP does not have a house.

[NanaWiloh]

I am fine with fcfs as long all those wanting them never again complain about the clicking or a relocator swooping in and taking the plot. Do as the old saying "You made your bed now sleep in it"

[CosmicCoqui]

Honestly rather lottery just be the new norm. With FCFS, you can't really enjoy the game and have to compete against bots while also clicking for hrs on a sign post. Though also hope it only allows 1 bidding at a time so its actually fair across the board. There would be more houses though if SE actually made it so one can only own 1 personal house and 1 fc house per account...

[Conundrum]

I feel there is an ulterior motive for all these people asking for first come first served.

I wonder if they've got something setup to bot getting them for resale or something (I mean more complex than a placard bot). I have no proof of that of course...but something smells likes the Limsa Docks.

[AbysmalDuck]

I feel there is an ulterior motive for all these people asking for first come first served.

I wonder if they've got something setup to bot getting them for resale or something (I mean more complex than a placard bot). I have no proof of that of course...but something smells likes the Limsa Docks.

In the other thread, all the people defending FCFS were all people that already had houses and were just upset they would be possibly stuck with an old house while someone that never had a house had the chance to get a new shiny house, or at least my opinion.