Devs, please make job crystals in lv 31+ content mandatory.

[Jojoya]

that dubious honor would go to the gladiator i had in stone vigil (normal mode) who couldn't hold even two mobs and who outright told us he planned to continue playing like that as he was "roleplaying a gladiator that...... and later turns into a dark knight".

i mean listen, if you want to roleplay than go ahead, but that was outright griefing the group and after 10 minutes and 3 wipes we simply kicked him...

I've had GLA and MRD in Stone Vigil that did just fine. You probably would have been kicking him even if he had a job stone. Some players are simply bad tanks.

Many times the problem is gear. Some players pick the DPS gear (even the caster gear) instead of the tank gear as quest rewards because they like the look better and so lose out on the additional mitigation. That's one thing I wish was addressed in Hall of Novices - how to pick the right gear for your role. It's a non-issue in higher level content because of job locks on role gear but definitely a problem in ARR and to a lesser degree HW (HW is usually accessories).

I'm a firm believer that job stones should be required in 50+ group content but I'm willing to cut someone without one in a lower level dungeon some slack because the lack usually doesn't make much of a difference overall. If they have the proper gear and a good understanding of the class, they're not going to be a problem.

The sunken temple of qarn is potentially unlockable before you get to the Sylph Management MSQ so it's possible to go into that dungeon without having the ability to unlock jobs

So are Cutter's Cry, Dzemael Darkhold, Aurum Vale and Wanderer's Palace (plus Halatalii but that's only level 20 so you're not going to have access to job abilities regardless). They're all side dungeons that don't require MSQ progression to unlock. The last 3 are pretty unlikely to have unlocked before Sylph Management is completed (I've definitely had Cutter's Cry unlocked before then on a few alts) but it is possible.

[MiaShino]

Square and easy simply executed solutions co-existing? Pffffffff! They have but one tool at Square HQ, the hammer and every problem is a nail to be smashed.

Inventory space not enough? Well hmmm we could implement a better database structure for parsing item data across worlds.
Square: Hammer time baby! *removes belts and hq items*

Ummm everything is experiencing burning and the servers are going down down what do?
Square: Yeet boy our entire QA environment! Must get additional login capacity right meow!

Fully expect job stones to receive the hammer treatment eventually once someone figures out how to remove entire system in most destructive way possible. Much much too many connections to the other stuffs within codebase, and developers do not appear to understand certain coding conventions often doing bazar things.. Example! Quests can check for job stone equipped and job level so code already exists for this. Roulette system cannot because why? Only two roulettes allow for below 50 anything (leveling and hests), just do; check level (does have stone) > good to go you may queue. 30 > must have stone 29 < can queue without stone. Simple, elegant, not a hammer. Also does pvp also not allow queuing without job stone? Just.. migrate the fricken code. Know tis not one button press I worked in this field but is also not some impossible feat others oft make out to be.

We over on this end (was speaking with friend) are assuming they have linked non job stone to limited job in certain places however doing this for roulette system would disbar all low levels.. That is terrible way to implement job stone check. See? Hammer. Many apologies for thoughts most jumbled, coffee required.

[LeonKeyh]

Or...OR... that the amount of work it would take to implement is not worth the work and possible bugs that would be introduced because this thing that the topic is arguing about is hardly some huge issue that happens on a daily basis and ruins game play for everyone involved.

If someone does it, kick them and move on. Stop acting like there's some huge pandemic of people queuing up for level 90 raids without job stones or something. Ease of implementation means nothing whenever the value isn't there.

[MiaShino]

Or...OR... that the amount of work it would take to implement is not worth the work and possible bugs that would be introduced because this thing that the topic is arguing about is hardly some huge issue that happens on a daily basis and ruins game play for everyone involved.

If someone does it, kick them and move on. Stop acting like there's some huge pandemic of people queuing up for level 90 raids without job stones or something. Ease of implementation means nothing whenever the value isn't there.

Why is there alllllways someone with this take whenever someone requests quality of life features or really anything of the game that made 420 million this quarter? What work and bugs? The code already exists for this functionality it need only be ported to other queuing systems.. Go ahead! Give it a test. Remove the job stone then queue for PVP roulette.

There is no need for redundant legacy systems that serve only to confuse sprouts and enable trolls when you already spent resources developing the solution. Just. Do it. Jeeesus jimmeny yall need to apply for a job at the least get paid for PR.

[Minarisweet]

Its not really big of a deal I think... Like sure why isn't it there already but any normal content is easy enough to clear without job stones especially if you are the healer overhealing everything and everyone.

[rainichan]

Or...OR... that the amount of work it would take to implement is not worth the work and possible bugs that would be introduced because this thing that the topic is arguing about is hardly some huge issue that happens on a daily basis and ruins game play for everyone involved.

If someone does it, kick them and move on. Stop acting like there's some huge pandemic of people queuing up for level 90 raids without job stones or something. Ease of implementation means nothing whenever the value isn't there.

As I've already mentioned (as have others), just because you, personally, have not seen it often doesn't mean others don't see it often. It's happening with more frequency, which means it's something they really should have implemented long ago. There are also plenty of people who will, in a dungeon, say "it's fine" and a kick can't go through - sure, some will take the penalty and just leave, but not having this happen in the first place would stop it entirely. People are going into 90 content with no job stone which is more harmful to the other 3 or 7 people you're with. The value to do this is there, they can do it since they're already doing it in pvp, it'd be an easy enough implementation for anything beyond lv31.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I wonder if it would have to be done for the entire roulette, which could cause problems with leveling and guildhests, since they have instances below level 30.

Still would be nice for raid, alliance, trial, and expert, though. I should not see a marauder in the Tower at Paradigm's Breach.

[Jojoya]

As I've already mentioned (as have others), just because you, personally, have not seen it often doesn't mean others don't see it often. It's happening with more frequency, which means it's something they really should have implemented long ago. There are also plenty of people who will, in a dungeon, say "it's fine" and a kick can't go through - sure, some will take the penalty and just leave, but not having this happen in the first place would stop it entirely. People are going into 90 content with no job stone which is more harmful to the other 3 or 7 people you're with. The value to do this is there, they can do it since they're already doing it in pvp, it'd be an easy enough implementation for anything beyond lv31.

I'm not going to kick someone from a group just because they lack a job crystal. I'd much rather have someone without a job crystal that's actively participating than someone with one who barely even auto-attacks, and I see far more of the latter in dungeons than I see of the former.

If someone's performance is causing the group to wipe over and over, then I'll vote to kick. It's rarely going to be the lack of the job crystal that's the reason.

[Saraide]

I'm not going to kick someone from a group just because they lack a job crystal. I'd much rather have someone without a job crystal that's actively participating than someone with one who barely even auto-attacks, and I see far more of the latter in dungeons than I see of the former.

If someone's performance is causing the group to wipe over and over, then I'll vote to kick. It's rarely going to be the lack of the job crystal that's the reason.

You will never see someone perform worse specifically because they equip their jobstone, therefore everyone only stands to gain from the change this thread asked for in the first place. And the functionality is already in the game.
This change would be a helpful reminder for new people who are unaware of the jobsystem and people who somehow messed up their gearsets and forgot to equip their jobstone.

[Youkulm]

I'm with OP, there is no reason Job Stones shouldn't be required for content that has an entrance requirement of 30+ I do not understand why it doesn't force equip like it does with newer ( 3.0+ ) jobs. Seems like an easy fix that should have been done years ago.

If you wanna putz around in duty with no job stones, go pre-made, don't waste other people's time by intentionally gimping your abilities and DPS. Just like ilvl was made a requirement to low level duty a few expansions back-- this should be made a requirement as well for any roulettes or pugging in the DF.

Better yet ( already mentioned in this thread on the first page ), the job stone slot shouldn't even exist. It's just silly. It's more inventory space that's entirely wasted and should just be there automatically. Maybe it's time to do away with the "slot" like belts in my opinion. The job stone can still show on your character menu, but there is zero reason for it to be in your inventory.