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    She first tells us that bit after Urianger and Y'shtola disappear, and the remaining three all had their personal grievances about the matter, particularly Alphinaud who took small solace in thinking that those who hadn't turned would at least be able to be reborn and thus could perhaps take a moment to logic it out then reaffirm his determination knowing that even those thought lost forever still had that small hope.

    It just feels weird to me that there's literally no direct acknowledgment of the souls of the turned still being intact in some capacity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    She first tells us that bit after Urianger and Y'shtola disappear, and the remaining three all had their personal grievances about the matter, particularly Alphinaud who took small solace in thinking that those who hadn't turned would at least be able to be reborn and thus could perhaps take a moment to logic it out then reaffirm his determination knowing that even those thought lost forever still had that small hope.

    It just feels weird to me that there's literally no direct acknowledgment of the souls of the turned still being intact in some capacity.
    There is, actually...during the last healer role quest for the expansion.
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    I also assumed as much given Fordola's hypersensitive Echo would probably make her able to detect traces of a soul more conventional methods would not...though it's still an implication as opposed to a direct confirmation.

    I'm hoping the subject of the blasphemies doesn't get dropped in 6.x and perhaps Sharlayan and others delve into research about them and the nature of dynamis.
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    Is there a citation or something for the idea that the souls being hit by dynamis get sucked up to Ultima Thule?

    I know she says her "egg" holds the aether of souls in it so they can't be reborn, but I don't think she ever made a direct connection between that and the effects of her "gift". It sounded like it was a secondary plan where she was basically sucking up the celestial lifestream. I don't recall the "egg" and the "gift" being related directly, just used in conjunction to be thorough about ending all life. The song of oblivion voids out people that are currently alive; and the egg will keep those that are already in the lifestream of their world from escaping to the cosmos and being born anew anywhere else by eventually imprisoning the entire cosmic lifestream.

    At least, that's how I understood it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleluia View Post
    Is there a citation or something for the idea that the souls being hit by dynamis get sucked up to Ultima Thule?

    I know she says her "egg" holds the aether of souls in it so they can't be reborn, but I don't think she ever made a direct connection between that and the effects of her "gift". It sounded like it was a secondary plan where she was basically sucking up the celestial lifestream. I don't recall the "egg" and the "gift" being related directly, just used in conjunction to be thorough about ending all life. The song of oblivion voids out people that are currently alive; and the egg will keep those that are already in the lifestream of their world from escaping to the cosmos and being born anew anywhere else by eventually imprisoning the entire cosmic lifestream.

    At least, that's how I understood it.
    It's just something that's being inferred off of given information.

    I personally feel loath to believe it since it would've meant that logically nobody who died on Etheriys while the Final Days was going on would've been spared from having their souls trapped in Ultima Thule blasphemy or otherwise, as there's no indication the people of the other stars had been turning and rather it was a side effect of Etheriys being the first world Meteion was deliberately trying to destroy by flooding it with dynamis.
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