More Content, Less Narrative

[Violyre]

PvP is not the only things I have discussed in this thread, yet that seems to be all the majority are responding to. Please respond to the whole, not one facet.

Personally I feel we have plenty of content. The beginning of an expansion is always light. Once we get into further patches, things will ramp up. By the end of ShB, I found it bothersome that I needed to do all three of the 24-man dungeons each week, plus E12! And imagine if I did Savage and Ultimates as well!

PvP is horrible and should just be taken out all together. The only time I did it, I had to be incentivized to do it with Garo. And open world PvP? Whoever invented that should die in a fire. Nothing like going on a fun little mining trip and getting ganked by someone that I probably made angry or just wants to get their lulz on or thinks they can secure the market of a resource! Plus the resources they'd have to put in to make it work in this game...there's a reason why there's a different skill set for PvP than open world. And before you say "they can toggle it on or off," that's yet another system that needs to be put in the game that will take time away from stuff that's actually fun.

The 24-man raids were made to be gear catch-ups. There's no reason to have them come in at the same time as a new 8-man raid. And because the 24-man raids were specifically designed to be easy so that a few people can be dumb and you'll be fine, there's not really a reason to put gear comparable to the 8-mans in it.

You know what I'd like? I'd like them to give us back three dungeons a patch. But I accept that's not possible so that they can fine tune stuff like raids, stuff like Bozja and Eureka, and more stuff just like that! And the only reason I want that is so we can have variety in Expert roulette!

I don't want my story being downgraded because people want the dev team to add everything and two kitchen sinks into each patch. I need my story to keep me happy, let me think about how it's going, and all that. The quests are really engaging, especially the ones added in EW that are giving us a lot of info about the world!

[Jeeqbit]

Personally I feel we have plenty of content. The beginning of an expansion is always light.

From my perspective, it's not light. I need to farm minions from each dungeon (with a 2% drop chance), level every class to 90, farm 7538 fates for the mount and wings, farm 1,000 S ranks and 2,000 A ranks for the mount, 99 of 2 extreme trials, keep doing savage, get all the new triple triad cards and do the remaining role quests and side quests that I didn't already finish.

It's not very light for me, so it depends on if you are interested in all of these things or not.

[Violyre]

From my perspective, it's not light. I need to farm minions from each dungeon (with a 2% drop chance), level every class to 90 for a mount, farm 7538 fates for the mount and wings, farm 1,000 S ranks and 2,000 A ranks for the mount, 99 of 2 extreme trials, keep doing savage, get all the new triple triad cards and do the remaining role quests and side quests that I didn't already finish.

It's not very light for me, so it depends on if you are interested in all of these things or not.

Very true! Everyone enjoys different content. While I'm not likely to work towards some of the endgame oriented stuff or the hunt stuff, if that's you, go for it. Even PvP. I may not like it, but some people do so go wild. How much content is available is based on what you personally want.

I was mostly just addressing the primary comments of the original poster.

[SturmChurro]

The problem isn't necessarily the amount of story content, but the lack of gameplay content. Rather, engaging gameplay content. Even collectibles, and glamour options are getting more sparse as time goes on.

[Voidedge_Ragna]

As long as the content is self contained and not canon or just a like Sidecontent, there is no problem if it has less narrative HOH and PotD had minimal impact on lore and unless you dug in the story was minimal.

Same with Eureka, minimal story unless you really wanted more but content, i know a lot of ppl will go "boohoo QQ eureka bad" but i still had my fun.

Bozja WAS a lot more connected, but all the cool stuff happened in documents and now that we know the empire is fully fallen we know we will never get to really see it. Gabranth was build up in Bozja and fully resolved in Documents ... was he not? I guess they were "rushed" and had to cancel a 3rd zone or something seeing we also skipped the 2nd to last Relic step. Then again how can one be rushed if you add Bozja so late into ShB.

Tl:dr: as long as its side content I don't mind if its a bit thin on lore/text/story if its fun to play, MSQ you just gotta keep story focused though

[Skiros]

As long as the content is self contained and not canon or just a like Sidecontent, there is no problem if it has less narrative HOH and PotD had minimal impact on lore and unless you dug in the story was minimal.

Same with Eureka, minimal story unless you really wanted more but content, i know a lot of ppl will go "boohoo QQ eureka bad" but i still had my fun.

Bozja WAS a lot more connected, but all the cool stuff happened in documents and now that we know the empire is fully fallen we know we will never get to really see it. Gabranth was build up in Bozja and fully resolved in Documents ... was he not? I guess they were "rushed" and had to cancel a 3rd zone or something seeing we also skipped the 2nd to last Relic step. Then again how can one be rushed if you add Bozja so late into ShB.

Tl:dr: as long as its side content I don't mind if its a bit thin on lore/text/story if its fun to play, MSQ you just gotta keep story focused though

That's not my point. My point is that FF14 is too barebones for anything other than the MSQ. And that includes the story. People praise this game for immersing the world in the story but it's ironic that even Lost Ark incorporated its deep dungeon (Shadespire) better in the story/world than FF14 did with PotD and HoH.

This game lacks content for EVERYONE once you're done with the MSQ, including people who are invested in the narrative.

I honestly do not comprehend how anyone thinks the story for the raids are fleshed out. I'm sick of waiting for three tiers until the story even gets mildly interesting. Omega and Eden were both only interesting in the last tier. Omega in particular was egregiously bad since two-thirds of the story was fanservice. And it seems that Pandemonium will be the same, where we have to wait until the last tier before we get any story of substance.

If I were to design the story for Eden, I would've revealed Gaia's identity in the first tier. The reason why SE put it all the way in the third tier is because they can't think of anything to do with her identity being a former Ancient/Ascian. We literally did not get any insight as to her struggles with her identity etc. It's bad world building and bad character development.

[Jeeqbit]

I honestly do not comprehend how anyone thinks the story for the raids are fleshed out. I'm sick of waiting for three tiers until the story even gets mildly interesting. Omega and Eden were both only interesting in the last tier.

It does usually take the three tiers for it to get that interesting, but what we couldn't have had without the MSQ is T1-13, O10, E6, E7, E10, E11 and E12S. Without Crystal Tower we wouldn't have E9. Without the FF franchise stories that created these things, we wouldn't have any of the omega or eden fights. The decision to merge ifrit and garuda is an idea that could only have come about because of the story needing it. Hurricanes happen when heat combines with wind. Heat evaporates water and wind allows it to condensate and produce clouds.

[Skiros]

It does usually take the three tiers for it to get that interesting, but what we couldn't have had without the MSQ is T1-13, O10, E6, E7, E10, E11 and E12S. Without Crystal Tower we wouldn't have E9. Without the FF franchise stories that created these things, we wouldn't have any of the omega or eden fights. The decision to merge ifrit and garuda is an idea that could only have come about because of the story needing it. Hurricanes happen when heat combines with wind. Heat evaporates water and wind allows it to condensate and produce clouds.

A lot of story decisions are made ex-post. Someone comes up with an idea or something cool that they want to put in the raid and they design the story around that. Even the MSQ is designed that way partially.

[Jeeqbit]

A lot of story decisions are made ex-post. Someone comes up with an idea or something cool that they want to put in the raid and they design the story around that. Even the MSQ is designed that way partially.

It's unlikely they would come up with a sin eaters going through portals boss if the story hadn't been about sin eaters. It's unlikely they would have come up with the entire hades fight if the entire MSQ up until that point hadn't existed.

It's unlikely even the SOS fight would be what it is without the MSQ because the concept of having other warriors comes from the story and the concept of those warriors being the same classes we have access to also comes from the story. Therefore most of the mechanics end up as trying to do black/white mage attacks, ninja attacks, summoner attacks and so on.

[YukikoKurosawa]

Shocked this wasn't a Skiros thread.