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    Sqwall Lionheart
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    Warrior Lv 100

    So I got PLD to 90....

    ....AND WOW! This is a STOUT tank. (this is after the 6.08 adjustments)

    Currently at ilevel 590
    Not thinking about job potency and my melding (melded for warrior).

    This job is crazy strong in the defensive department. I can't believe how strong Holy Sheltron is! It's hard for me to wrap my head around it since I have been enjoying bloodwhetting for the past 5 months, and also specifically warrior for the last 3 years.

    Block for 8 seconds with 15-18% damage mitigation. (Not sure what the exact value is haven't played pld for a grip, and block values seem to have changed)

    Knights Resolve adds another 15% mitigation for 4 seconds
    Is this compounded with the block mitigation? Is this technially Sentinel level of mitigation?

    AND Knights Benediction with a 250 potency heal every 3 seconds. So this is basically a Clemancy over the 12 seconds? I can't tell if I get all the ticks in under the 12 seconds...does the last tick not count making it a 750 potency heal over time?

    I have never looked at a skill while being so confused, and it's such a simple skill.

    But from an optimization stand point....is this strong enough to squash a tank buster?

    Shared tank buster, solo tank buster. Holy Sheltron seems to have it covered! At first I would pop Sentinel and Holy Sheltron while I was familiarizing myself with the job, but I remembered how mitigation works (I was wasting Sentinel). Should I just trust in Holy Sheltron?

    I'm still confused on the actual values though....does anyone know the exact amount that this mitigates for the 4s until knights resolve falls off?

    If I want to go back to back Holy Sheltron when should I use it again?

    At what Oath value should I use Sheltron to prevent capping out? 50? 80? 100?

    I want to know what I can get away with!

    I started with Paladin...hung it up in Stormblood before Shadowbringers launched for Warrior main...now I wanted to try it out again....now i'm lost on what are the pitfall skills.
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    Mike Aettir
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    The mitigation is going to be multiplicitive, just like any other and blocking is 20%, this means the bock and mitigation blocks 32% for the 4 seconds.

    You should get off all healing ticks, so it would be 1000 total potency.

    As for when to use Holy Sheltron, at or just before 100 gauge, the cooldown is short enough that it comes back really quickly, so if something does catch you off guard, you can still react to it. If you are in 8 man parties with 2 tanks, you can use Intervention in the same way and, unlike other short tank cooldowns, it does not interfere with Holy Sheltron's cooldown. So, in theory, if you have a tank buster that hits both tanks, you can Holy Sheltron yourself, and Intervention your co tank for more mitigation, add in Rampart/Sentinel if required.
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    Nova' Dragon
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    Paladin Lv 92
    Quote Originally Posted by Sqwall View Post
    This job is crazy strong in the defensive department. I can't believe how strong Holy Sheltron is! It's hard for me to wrap my head around it since I have been enjoying bloodwhetting for the past 5 months, and also specifically warrior for the last 3 years.
    Gunbreaker is stronger.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sqwall View Post
    Is this compounded with the block mitigation? Is this technially Sentinel level of mitigation?

    AND Knights Benediction with a 250 potency heal every 3 seconds. So this is basically a Clemancy over the 12 seconds? I can't tell if I get all the ticks in under the 12 seconds...does the last tick not count making it a 750 potency heal over time?
    In a way it is, Paladin lacks self cooldowns so this makes up for it.

    It's only useful if you're taking sustained damage consistently, current raid content it's barely viable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sqwall View Post
    But from an optimization stand point....is this strong enough to squash a tank buster?

    Shared tank buster, solo tank buster. Holy Sheltron seems to have it covered! At first I would pop Sentinel and Holy Sheltron while I was familiarizing myself with the job, but I remembered how mitigation works (I was wasting Sentinel). Should I just trust in Holy Sheltron?
    Not alone, use Rampart or Sentinel with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sqwall View Post
    If I want to go back to back Holy Sheltron when should I use it again?

    At what Oath value should I use Sheltron to prevent capping out? 50? 80? 100?
    90-95

    Quote Originally Posted by Sqwall View Post
    I started with Paladin...hung it up in Stormblood before Shadowbringers launched for Warrior main...now I wanted to try it out again....now i'm lost on what are the pitfall skills.
    Pitfall skills? A lot of Paladins mitigations are pretty irrelevant at the moment, Healers have ridiculous amount of tools it really doesn't matter.
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    Gae Bolg Animus 18/04/2014

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    Quote Originally Posted by Undeadfire View Post
    Pitfall skills? A lot of Paladins mitigations are pretty irrelevant at the moment, Healers have ridiculous amount of tools it really doesn't matter.
    Pitfall meaning it’s not as good as you think and over rated. I.e tbn is amazing. When it really isn’t
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    Paladin Lv 92
    Holy Sheltron covered one of the fundamental problems Paladin had since HW.

    Expiacion removed it's issue to soak damage.

    Holy Spirit/Circle Healing doesn't do much than dungeon support.

    Extra Blades led rotation issues.
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    Gae Bolg Animus 18/04/2014

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    Cassius Rex
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    PLD has the most cursed opener in the history of this game.
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    Ryaduera Tengille
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absimiliard View Post
    PLD has the most cursed opener in the history of this game.
    I don't know about that... Heavensward AST still makes me cringe... Waiting and waiting for 20 minutes sometimes... RNG Balance.
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    Filled to the brim with salt, vinegar, and unpopular opinions.

    Nobody told me Fantasias were addictive, now I have to go to rehab.

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