Savage fights should probably avoid this kind of mechanic...

[Colt47]

Think I'm going to add that it feels like you have to account for fair weather players for the later half of savage. I'm not sure if they are just lulled in by the first half and assume the second half is going to be on the same level, or they just don't have the time to stick it out and make meaningful progress.

[Mortex]

I mean I think we can all agree p3s is a shi…. Fight in every aspect. Red on red arena. Boss mechanics are just chaser plus omega and some other boring mechanics ( like firestorm phase is just Pepsiman tornado tea phase) in a single fight.

In general this raid tier was meh, the best fights are p2s/p1s and p4s phase 2. Door boss is not fun and neither is p3s

[geekgirl101]

I've no idea what you guys are talking about since I'm having enough trouble as it is finding a practice group for P2S. One thing I am noticing more of though is less people being interested in savages. They're too burned out and the variation of mechanics is too much for some to adjust to. I've been in a number of statics that have collapsed due to people being too burned out and now even I'm feeling burned out. My FC has practically stalled in activities due to key members being too exhausted to play and I'm hearing word it's across multiple FCs and not just our own where this is happening.

[Claire_Pendragon]

"Steep DPS check"? I'm sorry, but even a half-competent group sandbags the birds to build resources and wait for cooldowns to have a strong reopener. They have laughable amount of HP, you just have to actually press your buttons and hit them. I also don't see how "kill one bird north/south, move and kill one more east/west" is some 9000 IQ 5D chess mechanic that belonds in an Ultimate.

^ agreed. when i 1st tried P3S, everyone was dead except me and the 2 tanks, and with my grey dps, and the tanks, we got 1 add down to single digit% hp before time was up. if i had 1 more DPS or even a healer throwing a DoT on it, it would have gone down.

[Stepjam]

I've no idea what you guys are talking about since I'm having enough trouble as it is finding a practice group for P2S. One thing I am noticing more of though is less people being interested in savages. They're too burned out and the variation of mechanics is too much for some to adjust to. I've been in a number of statics that have collapsed due to people being too burned out and now even I'm feeling burned out. My FC has practically stalled in activities due to key members being too exhausted to play and I'm hearing word it's across multiple FCs and not just our own where this is happening.

Pretty sure people are just burned out because its a few months into the tier. 6.1 is likely dropping by the end of the month, so the tier is no longer fresh and everyone is likely a bit burnt out by the burst of content the expansion brought. I know my FC is pretty quiet right now because everyone is experiencing a little burn out. And that's just fine, it'll pick up again for a while once 6.1 drops.

[Colt47]

The PF is pretty rough right now as well. I've been in parties now that have players black listing people they think are bad during p3s completion groups. And yes, I've been perpetually stuck on p3s after reaching 3% on enrage. Didn't say much but the guy in question also ended up making multiple mistakes.

I'd never blacklist someone for failing mechanics in a fight when they make it that far into the tier. Maybe someone could carry a less capable player into p3s, but even so, that less capable player would still have had enough ability to make it there, and that means they do care about the content enough to improve. That and using mistakes as a measure of how far someone really is in a fight can be misleading. E10S had people messing up on shadows sometimes during clear groups, and I can't count how many times clear groups would die at towers. P3S is basically just like that with a lot of mechanics that can go south with one slip up. And then E12S was lions and shiva prog for days.