Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[currentlemon]

What if we did this for White Mage:

Aero III is obtained at level 54. Similar to Thundercloud, each tick of Aero II has a chance of proc'ing single cast of Aero III: a small, instant cast nuke. Presence of Mind grants 3 stacks of a buff that can be consumed by any attacking spell. After a stack is consumed, grants 1 use of Aero III. Aero III is upgraded to [Insert Name Here] at level 92. Thoughts?

I assume Aero III shares the same button as Aero II? A great idea. It would mean that WHM would have a "finisher" of some sort and it'd solve the one-button issue. It'd be hard to implement as it would force the devs to create an AoE Dia down the line. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm sure, and I hope, they can do it at a later expansion (hopefully 8.0).

I'd also like to see WHM have something akin to SCH's Quicken Aetherflow from pre-Shb. Something that would lower the CD of PoM after the use of a certain spell or proc since it's now going to be integral to WHM's burst. This may not be possible to implement right now due to the existence of the two minute meta, but it would help if (knock on wood) PoM CD is still 120sec going into DT.

[ty_taurus]

I assume Aero III shares the same button as Aero II? A great idea. It would mean that WHM would have a "finisher" of some sort and it'd solve the one-button issue. It'd be hard to implement as it would force the devs to create an AoE Dia down the line. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I'm sure, and I hope, they can do it at a later expansion (hopefully 8.0).

I'd also like to see WHM have something akin to SCH's Quicken Aetherflow from pre-Shb. Something that would lower the CD of PoM after the use of a certain spell or proc since it's now going to be integral to WHM's burst. This may not be possible to implement right now due to the existence of the two minute meta, but it would help if (knock on wood) PoM CD is still 120sec going into DT.

It would need to be a separate action, I think. It's not a DOT in this example, just a burst of damage associated with Aero II and later Dia as well as PoM. I'd also have PoM be a 60 second cooldown that lasts 10 seconds. I didn't make this clear in the former post, but the [Insert Action Here] Is meant to be that new attack we see in the trailer.

[currentlemon]

It would need to be a separate action, I think. It's not a DOT in this example, just a burst of damage associated with Aero II and later Dia as well as PoM. I'd also have PoM be a 60 second cooldown that lasts 10 seconds. I didn't make this clear in the former post, but the [Insert Action Here] Is meant to be that new attack we see in the trailer.

Ah, thanks for the clarification. Yeah, what you suggested sounds great.

[vetch]

With every expansion, HP values of enemies has to scale with the increase in potency per minute that each DPS and tank job is having added to their total outgoing damage. Because every expansion isn't just us getting stronger due to the stats gained over those 10 levels, it's also that we're pumping out a higher amount of damage relative to that new level. If HP values on enemies don't scale with this in mind, then content in this game would get shorter with every expansion as the damage output would get higher and higher. Thus, healers must have their damage increase as well, otherwise even just solo content gets slower and slower for healers every expansion.

I've mentioned it before but I would really like for the effective-HP levels of enemies across the game to be brought more in line with one another. When I was first leveling up and working through the old content, the ARR & HW stuff crumpled in seconds before it could do anything, which is disappointing in its own right but also set incorrect expectations for later battles. I.e., when I got to ShB and EW everything took so much longer that the enemies felt like un-fun bullet sponges.

A middle ground would be nice.

[Valence]

I've mentioned it before but I would really like for the effective-HP levels of enemies across the game to be brought more in line with one another. When I was first leveling up and working through the old content, the ARR & HW stuff crumpled in seconds before it could do anything, which is disappointing in its own right but also set incorrect expectations for later battles. I.e., when I got to ShB and EW everything took so much longer that the enemies felt like un-fun bullet sponges.

A middle ground would be nice.

That's a direct side effect from the drastic changes in ShB. Potency creep has been real when you think that the upper potency skills were around 300-400 back in HW, with many averaging at 150-200. Some outliers like effective potency F4 was over 500, or deathflare at 600 iirc. It's not the only reason obviously since stats, HP, everything has crept as well as a result, but that's why you see a huge difference once you're past SB. They also at some point nerfed ARR dungeon's trash HP by almost half somewhere during SB, because they were serious HP sponges before, so it kinda backfired.

[Aravell]

That's a direct side effect from the drastic changes in ShB. Potency creep has been real when you think that the upper potency skills were around 300-400 back in HW, with many averaging at 150-200. Some outliers like effective potency F4 was over 500, or deathflare at 600 iirc. It's not the only reason obviously since stats, HP, everything has crept as well as a result, but that's why you see a huge difference once you're past SB. They also at some point nerfed ARR dungeon's trash HP by almost half somewhere during SB, because they were serious HP sponges before, so it kinda backfired.

I'm pretty sure Deathflare and Fire IV were lower back in HW, I vaguely remember that Fell Cleave was outrageous back then because the highest potency hit in the game belonged to a tank.

[Absurdity]

I'm pretty sure Deathflare and Fire IV were lower back in HW, I vaguely remember that Fell Cleave was outrageous back then because the highest potency hit in the game belonged to a tank.

Fell Cleave was the highest with 500, Deathflare was 400 and Fire IV was 280 (in reality it was more like ~530 potency with Astral Fire 3 and Enochian).

What needs to be kept in mind though is that 500 melee potency wasn't nearly as strong as 500 magic potency since they scaled differently until Endwalker.

[Aravell]

Fell Cleave was the highest with 500, Deathflare was 400 and Fire IV was 280 (not taking Astral Fire or Enochian into account).

What needs to be kept in mind though is that 500 melee potency wasn't nearly as strong as 500 magic potency since they scaled differently until Endwalker.

I am aware of scaling differences, tank potency is also lower than DPS jobs because of the lack of damage boosting traits.

That said, 500 potency was still a pretty outrageous number for the HW era.

[ForsakenRoe]

With the revelation of SE's plans for Healers come 7.0, I've taken to rewriting and reformatting some old ideas of mine, which I'll be posting in the Healer section... tomorrow probably. The reason for making said designs is partly for fun, but mainly to show that it's very possible to create an engaging Healer kit, that remains true to the Lore and Identity of the class, all while keeping the Job accessible to the less skilled/more laid back/casual/whatever term you want to use, player. That means things like 'having RNG on the Tarot inspired healer', which SE seems to want to move away from for some reason, and 'Having the healer who has a fairy, get fairy wings for their super-mode' instead of those tacky angel wings and that hideous white robe SE showed for SCH.

It's kind of surprising to me that I'm able to see a way to make a lore compliant, low skill floor high skill ceiling, design for the healers, but SE either can't, or refuses to due to it 'not matching their vision for the role'. But at this point, I can't even tell what their vision for the role even IS, outside of 'it is functional enough that it can fill the healer slot in a party, so that the DPS and Tank players can do the content'

To follow up on this post, I have finished the colossal task of rewriting, reformatting and occasionally reworking the healer designs I've homebrewed while waiting for PFs. As previously mentioned, the main goal was:

A: Provide the potential for deeper and more complex gameplay for those that seek it
B: Keep the base healing kit readily accessible, for emergency situations (when the player is likely to be panicking most)
C: Keep the identity of the job intact, and reinforce the identity set out in the lore of the job through it's gameplay

Anyone interested in my take on the Healers can find them here (and if you do choose to read, thanks in advance):
WHM: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...93#post6463293
SCH: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...96#post6463296
AST: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...00#post6463300
SGE: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...06#post6463306

Yes, my image editing software of choice is Paint, and I am not an artist.

[Saraide]

I find it very funny that the job action trailer shows glare twice for white mage. I get it for the new top down glare because of the 3 charges. But why show regular glare twice. It basically demands to make fun of it.