Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[AmiableApkallu]

We have the trust system as a way to make it so people can continue the story without being bogged down by terrible teammates.

I've watched Alphinaud let Thancred die to Superbolide. Let's not pretend trusts are somehow immune from being terrible at their jobs.

As far as the greater point of making Phoenix Downs usable in content goes: I would point out that most reasonable players feel bad about leaving party members dead on the floor, and being the party member (or two or three…) that's on the floor feels bad. Especially if we're looking at MSQ-required content.

Holding healer class design and the MSQ encounter design hostage to the possibility that the healer might die in MSQ-required 4-person content strikes me as… not ideal.

[ASkellington]

I've watched Alphinaud let Thancred die to Superbolide. Let's not pretend trusts are somehow immune from being terrible at their jobs.

As far as the greater point of making Phoenix Downs usable in content goes: I would point out that most reasonable players feel bad about leaving party members dead on the floor, and being the party member (or two or three…) that's on the floor feels bad. Especially if we're looking at MSQ-required content.

Holding healer class design and the MSQ encounter design hostage to the possibility that the healer might die in MSQ-required 4-person content strikes me as… not ideal.

I never claimed otherwise.

What I claim is that I don't see the dev team changing anything other than allowing Phoenix Downs to be used in combat due to a request while completely forgetting WHY we asked for the change to begin with: so they can't stop using excuses to not fix healers or combat design.

[Deceptus]

That's an entirely separate discussion. The UI could use so many upgrades, especially buff/debuff visibility customization since the devs have been increasingly fond of spamming each player with like 4 different debuffs that need to be resolved perfectly.

In my dream UI I'd be able to see my dots, and any and EVERY single debuff on the boss.

Instead of the current model:

Everything, everyone puts on (so much clutter)

Or just mine.

Wouldn’t it make more sense then to just removing revives altogether? If anyone fails, the party wipes. If only the healer can provide the party with endless resets, then there’s a lot of social pressure on them to be executing everything correctly. The DPS and even the tank can make as many mistakes as they want, but the healer can’t afford to do so. I think it’s important to empower each role with responsibility that only they can perform, but I don’t think it’s fair to say that one of those responsibilities is to never make a mistake when everyone else is allowed to. Either let the healers be allowed to make mistakes, or don’t allow anyone to make mistakes.

And I don’t think having to revive a player absolves their mistakes of consequence anyway. There are more consequences than just failure.

Could always go the Bozja Route: 2 deaths and you're unraisable. Might make it 3 for reasons. But you're basically useless with the 50% Brink of Death debuff anyway.

[ForsakenRoe]

I might even argue for a shorter dot duration, up to 15s max. Seeing how the average human attention span is on a steady decline, any dot outside of 3 gcd's worth of filler may be completely forgotten.

WHM: Aero>Dia series at 12s
SCH: Bio series at 30s, Miasma series at 24s (with a cast time), Shadowflare ground AOE at 15s
AST: None, by deleting Combust to make room for a properly fleshed out card system
SGE: E.Dosis at 30s, same as it is now

..is how I'd do it. At least, in very simplified terms, there's more changes that I'd do alongside those to adjust level-up skill acquisition pacing, potency upgrade timings, traits to allow certain 'useless' skills to be consolidated and make better use of hotbar space, etc.

In my dream UI I'd be able to see my dots, and any and EVERY single debuff on the boss.

I've heard there's a non-TOS compliant method to having your DOTs, and ONLY your DOTs, show up next to each enemy in the Emnity List (the little thing with the coloured shapes to show your aggro on each mob). Sure would be nice if SE were to get angry about people using that on stream, and add it to the game in the very next patch, hint hint

[ty_taurus]

WHM: Aero>Dia series at 12s
SCH: Bio series at 30s, Miasma series at 24s (with a cast time), Shadowflare ground AOE at 15s
AST: None, by deleting Combust to make room for a properly fleshed out card system
SGE: E.Dosis at 30s, same as it is now

..is how I'd do it. At least, in very simplified terms, there's more changes that I'd do alongside those to adjust level-up skill acquisition pacing, potency upgrade timings, traits to allow certain 'useless' skills to be consolidated and make better use of hotbar space, etc.

See, I’d want to do it much more differently:

WHM: Either Aero/Dia at 30 seconds with Aerospark/Diacloud procs OR rework Aero/Dia into something that isn’t a DOT.

SCH: Bio III at 12 seconds, Miasma III at 24 seconds. Rework Shadowflare into a burst attack so it’s more like the traditional spell.

AST: Also none. Put more emphasis on damage redirected through other players.

SGE: Either E. Dosis at 15 seconds like in PVP OR none, and rework E. Dosis into the way you proc Kardia whereas regular Dosis does not.

[Aravell]

Since we're all listing ideas, I'll also list what I'd personally like to see:

WHM: No DoT, instead they get Osmose, every tick will add potency to Dia up to a maximum of 30s.
SCH: Bio 12s, Miasma 24s, Shadowflare 18s.
AST: No DoT, instead they get a mini-Wildfire that they can stack up until it explodes.
SGE: A short 9s burn DoT on some of their more powerful laser weaponskills.

[rawker]

I hope your Shadowflare is GCD, right?

[Aravell]

I hope your Shadowflare is GCD, right?

Of course it's a GCD, I hated the SB Shadowflare that's on a CD.

I enjoy juggling plates on SCH, give me more plates to constantly juggle so I don't fall asleep.

[Raikai]

Since we're all listing ideas, I'll also list what I'd personally like to see:

WHM: No DoT, instead they get Osmose, every tick will add potency to Dia up to a maximum of 30s.
SCH: Bio 12s, Miasma 24s, Shadowflare 18s.
AST: No DoT, instead they get a mini-Wildfire that they can stack up until it explodes.
SGE: A short 9s burn DoT on some of their more powerful laser weaponskills.

I really like this AST no dot variation. Maybe they could turn Combust into that so not to miss job fantasy. Bonus if this interacts with Earthly Star - if caught by the explosion, it will detonate for slightly more damage - to promote strategical play.

All and all, I don't mind healers having very basic tools. But there's absolute no justification for those to be literal copy paste of each other. I think the same about every tank having the same 1-2-3 combo, but at the very least they have many other distinct dps actions to spice it up.

[rawker]

Of course it's a GCD, I hated the SB Shadowflare that's on a CD.

I enjoy juggling plates on SCH, give me more plates to constantly juggle so I don't fall asleep.

Yes. It ticks both simplicity and aoe dot. I wouldn't mind if Broil and Art of War get a potency nerf for as long as we get miasma and shadowflare back