Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[Rehayem]

Genuinely on the raid front if someone is staying far enough away that they arent getting healed by your AOE heals that is 100% their fault and sometimes it’s worth them dying so that they can learn what an AOE heal is

It sounds like you aren’t actually a bad healer you just instinctively internalise all problems as being your fault and assume everyone is judging you. Honestly most people really don’t mind if a wipe happen, just keep trying, learn new uses for your heals and try different healers, sometimes it just needs a little part to click in your brain then you realise how strong they are and how easy dungeons are

It honestly takes one person to internalize such issues in the moment. In Aion, when I failed to keep the group healed, I was called "the worst healer on the server" when everyone disbanded. It kinda made me question whether playing Cleric (something like a WHM) was the right choice and whether I should re-roll class. I went against that idea because I loved healing and just needed practice.

In ShB during Eden's Verse normal raids, I just finished the MSQ and lost my sprout icon, I was AST in nocturnal stance, switching to diurnal after the first wipe because I noticed my co-healer wasn't healing at all. One of the tanks started to talk crap about me because "you should never be in diurnal with a whm in group" and basically called me a failure and harassed me during the entire second pull.

Despite the homogenization of healers, I still play them, still play AST because of its "busy" card system that keeps my dopamine high.

[ty_taurus]

It honestly takes one person to internalize such issues in the moment. In Aion, when I failed to keep the group healed, I was called "the worst healer on the server" when everyone disbanded. It kinda made me question whether playing Cleric (something like a WHM) was the right choice and whether I should re-roll class. I went against that idea because I loved healing and just needed practice.

In ShB during Eden's Verse normal raids, I just finished the MSQ and lost my sprout icon, I was AST in nocturnal stance, switching to diurnal after the first wipe because I noticed my co-healer wasn't healing at all. One of the tanks started to talk crap about me because "you should never be in diurnal with a whm in group" and basically called me a failure and harassed me during the entire second pull.

Despite the homogenization of healers, I still play them, still play AST because of its "busy" card system that keeps my dopamine high.

That tool that told you not to be in Diurnal was wrong FYI. Diurnal was much stronger than Nocturnal because AST had synergy with its regens but none with its barriers. And Barriers aren’t a requirement for any content. Even now, mitigation is what matters more. Barriers aren’t as effective, through they do help. Even with a WHM you were better off in Diurnal. Not that Nocturnal was useless, but calling out an AST for being in Diurnal just tells you that you were grouped with a clown.

[Supersnow845]

If nocturnal changed regens into mitigations that might have been something to play around with because them both sects could theoretically sync with both other healers (I’m ignoring SGE here)

Well coordinated groups with a SCH could benefit from over mitigation but low throughput, less coordinated groups could rely on SCH’s mitigation and put AST on healing, similarly well coordinated WHM groups could benefit from offloading pure healing to the AST to save on lily useage when they were still a loss given mitigation wasn’t so strict in ShB that AST/WHM was unviable, and less coordinated groups could sub out SCH’s mitigation for noct AST mitigation

Would certainly be more interesting than actual noct AST which always suffered from low throughput as a 1000 potency regen is less cracked than a 1000 potency shield but since shields weren’t necessary anyway you were literally just sacrificing throughput for no benefit

[Maltothoris]

The last time I recall barriers being useful was all the way back in O9s because for the earthquake section, if you didn't take any damage, the healers didn't have to heal themselves or the tanks in order to deal with a debuff that you had to heal or you would have died. It made sch adlo really strong in that fight and with all the healing multipliers you had back, you could just outright cheese it.

[Naple]

What exactly is this thread about? There's plenty of casual content and there's plenty of high-end content. AND there's plenty of content in between!

[Maltothoris]

What exactly is this thread about? There's plenty of casual content and there's plenty of high-end content. AND there's plenty of content in between!

The thread is about the lack of things to do during downtime for healers. Bosses don't do enough damage, everything is too scripted with not enough variance in damage and as a result we spend most of the time dpsing. However, our damage kits are lacking in that regard, being only 1 filler and 1 dot. Yoshi-p tried to to dismiss it and said if you want engaging content as a healer, go play Ultimate. Ultimates themselves are more mitigation based than having really any strict healing checks.

Basically we just want something to do in our downtime, be it sightly more engaging damage kits or more random and higher damage to nessciate the healing.

[Supersnow845]

What exactly is this thread about? There's plenty of casual content and there's plenty of high-end content. AND there's plenty of content in between!

This thread was originally about how when people asked for more complexity to be introduced into healers yoshi p dismissed those concerns by basically telling us “go play ultimate” as a way to give us said complexity

However over time it’s morphed into the general healer megathread as the big 10 or so posters on the healer forums (Ty, aravell, Maltothoris, Reiner, me forsaken, sebazzy, nizzi and a few others) have collectively got sick of making new threads every 2 or three days so now we basically just use this as a catch all

[Deceptus]

What exactly is this thread about? There's plenty of casual content and there's plenty of high-end content. AND there's plenty of content in between!

The fact that the healer downtime is the exact same from lvl 4 to lvl 90.

A 30 second dot, and a single filler spell cast on repeat.

That is neither engaging nor fun.

In no other job or role is that acceptable but for some reason it is to healers.

[Valence]

It's not just for healers tbh. You can apply the same logic to every job that gets boring to play under certain thresholds of encounter challenge, which is objectively a problem, because they sell us jobs with job trailers, know that everybody is waiting for the media tour hype, that jobs literally define their game, yet they dropped the ball with job gameplay and tell us to go play ultimate if we are bored by lukewarm job designs. It's literally telling us to change the content we play when we're not complaining about the content, but about our toys.

[currentlemon]

What exactly is this thread about? There's plenty of casual content and there's plenty of high-end content. AND there's plenty of content in between!

A thread like this is difficult to keep up with because there are so many comments, so I'll try to explain it as best as I can. The purpose of this thread is to criticize the developers with their decisions on the Healer role in general. This is because:

Playing Healers in it's Current State is NOT Engaging, Rewarding, or Fun!!

This is not an Opinion, but a FACT!!!

Healing in previous expansions were a lot better than what it is now and it's Yoshi-P and the developers' fault that the Role is in such a poor state. The problems with the Healer role vary as people have various opinions on this matter. But here is a brief list of complaints that players have said about the Healer role.

1. Damage Output in most content is TOO LOW for Healers to use their entire kit, with the exception of mob pulls, some Extreme Trails, some Savage Raids and Ultimate Raids.
   
2. Healers are BLOATED with Healing abilities that they do not need or use.
   
3. GCD Healing (i.e Cure II, Benefic, and so forth) is discouraged in favor of overpowered oGCD abilites. Even WHM, a Job that technically is a GCD healer, is guilty of this to some extent.
   
4. This plays into one of the previous issues, but Tank Sustain is too high right now. With the Exception of DRK, tanks can survive normal content with no Healers!!
   
5. Healers get the short end of the stick when it comes to rewards. If I recall, healers are last in line to receive Savage gear. And most of their armor is just hand me down robes from the Caster DPS, but colored differently.
   
6. Bad levelling experience. From Level 1 to 90, you only get a total of 3-5 DPS abilities for each healer. The Healing abilities you receive aren't used much in solo content. This makes doing stuff like MSQ and Fates a PAIN to do.
   
7. All this accumulates to boring downtime. Because of all the issues listed above, healer gameplay is simply pressing one button plus the occasional DoT ability and oGCD Heals. Gameplay is very stale and can get boring fast!!

Edit: Another thing I'd like to add is that overhealing isn't punished. In previous expansions, healers who overhealed build aggro overtime, which caused mobs / trash pulls to turn away from the tank and attack the healers occasionally. I'd like this to come back in DT as the mechanic taught healers not to overheal in fights.

There may be more than the list I provided, but I hope you understand why most of us are not happy with the current iteration of the Role and why we continue to criticize Yoshi-P and the Devs for the poor iteration of Healers in Endwalker.