Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[ty_taurus]

Unfortunately, the stigma will only get worse because of SGE's current design. People will continue to point towards Addersgall and say that ED doesn't need to exist.

What actually baffles me though, is why the people who complain about being forced to use all their Aetherflow on ED also claim that they don't care about logs. Why would anyone possibly care so much about 300 potency per minute if they're not chasing a gold log? I really can't understand it.

Because endlessly generating healing resources you don’t need and have nothing to spend on, yet are obligated to use for MP anyway is such amazing game design.

I hate Addersgall. Its an abomination that teabags on the healer identity Sage was supposed to have based on Yoshi P’s own description.

[rawker]

Just a quick passing thought. What if all of SGE's GCDs are offensive and each use of it not only heals allies with Kardia on, but also grants Addersgall? Make it a mitigation heavy healer while SCH will become the pure barrier healer.

[ty_taurus]

Just a quick passing thought. What if all of SGE's GCDs are offensive and each use of it not only heals allies with Kardia on, but also grants Addersgall? Make it a mitigation heavy healer while SCH will become the pure barrier healer.

I feel that Sage’s basic spell casts should not trigger Kardia at all. You should instead have different spells that proc different Kardia effects at an MP cost. Dosis has no Kardia effect but also no MP cost. That would really bring out the spirit of a healer who heals through DPS—Kardia is an active choice, not a passive consequence of doing what you’d already be doing anyway.

Addersgall would be better if it was generated through attacks instead of over time. The meter that builds every 20 seconds is for Addersting instead, enabling a few OGCD attacks.

[ForsakenRoe]

The stigma against Energy Drain needs to go. It’s an integral part of what Scholar is supposed to be, and the nerds to it were insulting and uncalled for. The only thing is I think it needs an animation upgrade and should be AOE.

Give ED at level 6 (as it used to), upgrade to Bane at level 45, ez

[currentlemon]

Because endlessly generating healing resources you don’t need and have nothing to spend on, yet are obligated to use for MP anyway is such amazing game design.

I hate Addersgall. Its an abomination that teabags on the healer identity Sage was supposed to have based on Yoshi P’s own description.

The Addersgall and Addersting mechanics were a disappointment to be sure. Especially the later because, to me at least, they tried to implement WHM's lily system to SGE to some extent but ultimately failed to do so due to GCD healing being discouraged and Toxicon II is damage loss. WHM also had this problem with it's lily spells before patch 6.1.

[Emitans]

The stigma against Energy Drain needs to go. It’s an integral part of what Scholar is supposed to be, and the nerds to it were insulting and uncalled for. The only thing is I think it needs an animation upgrade and should be AOE.

I wanted it gone. And then they removed it in 5.0 and I realized how bad the job feels without it.

EDIT: "Having" to spend addersgall on worthless heals just to not overcap is how 5.0 SCH felt. I do like SGE but it's the part of the job that feels the worst to me. Pressing Blue Lustrate on myself just to keep up with MP isn't very fun.

[ty_taurus]

What's funny to me is that there's a simple answer for players who don't like Energy Drain: Don't use it, or don't use it to greed DPS and just use it for throwing out unused Aetherflow seconds before the Aetherflow action comes off cooldown. No one is forcing you to play like a barser.

[Aravell]

What's funny to me is that there's a simple answer for players who don't like Energy Drain: Don't use it, or don't use it to greed DPS and just use it for throwing out unused Aetherflow seconds before the Aetherflow action comes off cooldown. No one is forcing you to play like a barser.

It's the same as people who complained about being forced to drop Atonements on old PLD (The fight actually needs to go for over 11 minutes for you to drift the blades combo out of buffs because you only drift 1 GCD per minute) and people who complain about being forced to weave all the cards during burst on AST (you're not required to fit all cards into burst unless you're chasing rdps). No one is forcing players to do those things, those are optimisations that you'd do if you're chasing a log.

It's really stupid when people complain about not being able to (or not wanting to) do optimisations, that just causes the dev team to cut out all the niche optimisations that people can do now just so everyone can play the job.

[Supersnow845]

It's the same as people who complained about being forced to drop Atonements on old PLD (The fight actually needs to go for over 11 minutes for you to drift the blades combo out of buffs because you only drift 1 GCD per minute) and people who complain about being forced to weave all the cards during burst on AST (you're not required to fit all cards into burst unless you're chasing rdps). No one is forcing players to do those things, those are optimisations that you'd do if you're chasing a log.

It's really stupid when people complain about not being able to (or not wanting to) do optimisations, that just causes the dev team to cut out all the niche optimisations that people can do now just so everyone can play the job.

However AST shouldn’t have been changed in EW to make it possible to fit so many cards in the burst window at the expense of everything else

The second charge on draw was entirely unnecessary over how it worked in ShB and since the other classes now focus more intently on the burst window the change made you actively give up more DPS if you don’t or can’t play it optimally (such as controller or high ping) and it doesn’t even make the class feel better to play even if you can play it optimally

[Aravell]

However AST shouldn’t have been changed in EW to make it possible to fit so many cards in the burst window at the expense of everything else

The second charge on draw was entirely unnecessary over how it worked in ShB and since the other classes now focus more intently on the burst window the change made you actively give up more DPS if you don’t or can’t play it optimally (such as controller or high ping) and it doesn’t even make the class feel better to play even if you can play it optimally

The main reason AST sucks to play is because they brought back 5.0 AST Sleeve Draw without the button. Remember back then when you had to activate Sleeve Draw and then press Draw and press Play 3 times in a row? That's what the AST burst window currently is. I can't fathom why they deleted late-ShB Sleeve Draw if AST is played like this anyway, if we had Sleeve Draw, we'd at least not have to weave Draw 3 times.

But that's a problem of design, my point is that playing that way isn't required. You say it loses dps, yes, it loses some dps, but why do people care unless they're chasing logs? That's my main point, "Why do people complain about optimised play when they also claim that they don't care about logs?".