Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[Deceptus]

It's why I hate that we never hear about upcoming gameplay changes until the media tour, because by the time that happens it is already to late for our feedback to change anything.

But all joking aside it's pretty much true.

Isn’t this the stance that they’ve adapted since IIRC late post HW when they first teased about StB Lilies, got clowned, then respond with something along the line of “Just shut up & give it a try gdi” (paraphrase) only to concede indirectly by reworking them to what we all known as ShB Lilies and onward? Lmao.

The script is:

Don't judge it by the live letter, wait until the final patch notes come out!
Don't judge it by the patch notes, wait until you actually play it!
Don't judge it by playing it, wait until you're max level!
Don't judge it at max level, you're not in the harder content!
YOU'RE PLAYING IT WRONG!!

Meanwhile, the feedback we gave in the live letter was generally true and now we have to wait until X.3 or X.4 for a fix tht should have been identified and changed in X.0

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Pretty much, and it has never been a good stance. It always leads to the same outcome, on release the players always find issues that could've been fixed pre-release and the devs have to spend the entire rest of the expansion putting band-aids on those jobs.

And if your jobs needs major changes? Good luck, try again in 2-3 years and hope they made those changes by the time the next media tour comes around, but you won't know until then anyway.

[...]Mind you, most of those complaints were justified because HW balance was really not that great. AST was a dumpster fire on release, MCH was also pretty bad if I recall correctly, and PLD basically didn't exist because of DRK. Then the pre-release complaints about SB WHM lilies was probably what caused them to snap and tell us that we get no more info.

The more I read into this, the more it sounding like a modus operandi to sell the 'fixes/revamp' of the issues they created themselves as 'new plaything' next patch/expac lmao.

[Aravell]

The more I read into this, the more it sounding like a modus operandi to sell the 'fixes/revamp' of the issues they created themselves as 'new plaything' next patch/expac lmao.

Because nothing sells an expansion like "Hey guys, we fixed your job, it actually functions now! OMG!"

[Absurdity]

Because nothing sells an expansion like "Hey guys, we fixed your job, it actually functions now! OMG!"

New jobs do, which is why we get them every expansion even if their gameplay turns out to be the same bland mush.

All it takes to get the expansion hype rolling all over again is a new job with flashy particles.

[currentlemon]

The benchmark hasn't impressed me for any of the jobs, we're gonna have to wait until the media tour.
But let's be honest we're already at the point again where if the job preview during the media tour looks awful there isn't enough time to change anything anymore, so our only option is to wait for 3 years or quit.

The only thing that stood out for me is DRK. The job maybe getting some new GCD abilities in DT, which is big.

SCH and SGE possibly getting new attack actions is a small bright spot, but we don’t know what those actions are. They could be just upgrades for all we know.

[ForsakenRoe]

Can't judge based on benchmark, doesn't have info about CDs/MP costs/conditionals to activate/use
Can't judge based on Media Tour, because the build is a couple months out of date (SHB media tour had Sonic Break at a 'never use this ever' 300p, but in the 'up to date version' for dev, it was 900 as it was at release)

The joys of the expansion cycle, we can't ever judge the skills and their usecases based on actual data/numbers, we can only say 'oh it has a cool animation', and by the time it's apparent that the design won't work/feels bad (cough cough 6 Raiju spam NIN), the expansion's already released and it has to be changed in the X.1 patch. If you're a DPS, maybe you get lucky and it gets looked at in the X.05, in time for Savage. Meanwhile, AST has been told 'you play so weirdly that you need to have a rework', and at the same time, 'when we say rework, it has to be at the expansion because its such a big thing', and also 'no changes until the rework happens, not even stopgaps like 'here's a second charge of Lightspeed to alleviate mobility issues', like come on SE I get that changing all the cards and whatnot would take too much for a minor patch, but even something as small as 'Lightspeed now has 2 charges' couldn't be snuck in at like, 6.2?

All it takes to get the expansion hype rolling all over again is a new job with flashy particles.

'Wow look how many different attacks SGE has! SCH is DOA omegalul!'

Cut to present day, where we realize that, of the 6 or 7 attacks shown in the Job Action Trailer, one is a 2min CD used for healing, one is a damage loss to build the resource for (outside of downtime), One has a 40s CD, And then we have the standard issue 'AOE around self', 'filler', and 'DOT which absolutely has to be 30s just like every other healer's DOT'

[Supersnow845]

It was downright embarrassing that in the EW job trailer for SGE I could read out the skills as they were happening and they were like 99% right

There is the spam spell, there’s the dot, the weak single target heal, the strong single heal, the AOE heal, the AOE nuke, the one random damage oGCD we get, the oGCD shield the AOE oGCD shield, the emergency single target heal, the bubble

My excitement for SGE died with the job action trailer, I shouldn’t be able to figure out 99% of the skills being use and realise it will play extremely similar to the existing healers when the job action trailer purposefully puts the actions in a random order you’d never actually press to show them all off

Anyone who was genuinely excited for SGE after the job action trailer was either a desperate shield healer main that hates SCH, a sylphie or someone who didn’t understand healers

[IDontPetLalas]

But..lazers, right? Everyone likes lazers. That's all I could think when I saw that. Swish..

[rawker]

Hmm.. my 37 y/o brain is already failing.. care to explain what a sylphie is?

[Nizzi]

NGL I will probably die of laughter if instead of giving us a "Glare/Broil/DoT/AoE etc" animation update and potency bump, they had the genius idea to start doing that to the GCD heals instead and we get "Medica III/Succor II/Aspected Helios II" etc