Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[Aravell]

Just had a random thought:

What if nothing in the benchmark is actually new? What if they baited us by showcasing a total remake of old animations that they worked on alongside the graphical update and were hiding it from us? What if everything we see in the benchmark are just things we already have but visually updated?

Perhaps too much of a tinfoil hat theory.

[rawker]

It is possible that the old animations did not translate beautifully with the new engine

[Absurdity]

Just had a random thought:

What if nothing in the benchmark is actually new? What if they baited us by showcasing a total remake of old animations that they worked on alongside the graphical update and were hiding it from us? What if everything we see in the benchmark are just things we already have but visually updated?

Perhaps too much of a tinfoil hat theory.

Pass me some of that super copium please.

It is possible that the old animations did not translate beautifully with the new engine

I have yet to hear that it's actually a "new" engine, unless you mean the Bethesda definition of "new" which is just stapling modern features onto an engine from 2002.

[rawker]

What I meant to say when I coined engine was the graphics update. Sorry if it caused confusion.

[Saraide]

The benchmark has not impressed me in the slightest when it comes to healers. SGE and SCH just look like animation updates on toxicon and broil. Medica 2.5 looks kinda depressing. AST was doing something, not sure what.

[Absurdity]

The benchmark has not impressed me in the slightest when it comes to healers. SGE and SCH just look like animation updates on toxicon and broil. Medica 2.5 looks kinda depressing. AST was doing something, not sure what.

The benchmark hasn't impressed me for any of the jobs, we're gonna have to wait until the media tour.
But let's be honest we're already at the point again where if the job preview during the media tour looks awful there isn't enough time to change anything anymore, so our only option is to wait for 3 years or quit.

It's why I hate that we never hear about upcoming gameplay changes until the media tour, because by the time that happens it is already to late for our feedback to change anything.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[…]It's why I hate that we never hear about upcoming gameplay changes until the media tour, because by the time that happens it is already to late for our feedback to change anything.

Isn’t this the stance that they’ve adapted since IIRC late post HW when they first teased about StB Lilies, got clowned, then respond with something along the line of “Just shut up & give it a try gdi” (paraphrase) only to concede indirectly by reworking them to what we all known as ShB Lilies and onward? Lmao.

[Absurdity]

Isn’t this the stance that they’ve adapted since IIRC late post HW when they first teased about StB Lilies, got clowned, then respond with something along the line of “Just shut up & give it a try gdi” (paraphrase) only to concede indirectly by reworking them to what we all known as ShB Lilies and onward? Lmao.

Pretty much, and it has never been a good stance. It always leads to the same outcome, on release the players always find issues that could've been fixed pre-release and the devs have to spend the entire rest of the expansion putting band-aids on those jobs.

And if your jobs needs major changes? Good luck, try again in 2-3 years and hope they made those changes by the time the next media tour comes around, but you won't know until then anyway.

[Valence]

More than job toolkits themselves, where for some it can definitely be argued that a lot has been lost (healers especially), while we have also gained some more complex systems for a few others (DRG, NIN), I do feel that jobs today are a lot less engaging for the simple reason that they engage with a lot less to begin with: there is so little left of the battle system that even if they made toolkits more intricate, we'd still be left unsatisfied for the simple reason that we'd be playing that intricacy into nothing.

[Aravell]

Isn’t this the stance that they’ve adapted since IIRC late post HW when they first teased about StB Lilies, got clowned, then respond with something along the line of “Just shut up & give it a try gdi” (paraphrase) only to concede indirectly by reworking them to what we all known as ShB Lilies and onward? Lmao.

I think they probably got annoyed when there were major complaints about AST all throughout HW, then people alternatingly complained about BRD and MCH, which led to the historic physical ranged arms race. Also people complained about PLD all throughout HW.

Mind you, most of those complaints were justified because HW balance was really not that great. AST was a dumpster fire on release, MCH was also pretty bad if I recall correctly, and PLD basically didn't exist because of DRK. Then the pre-release complaints about SB WHM lilies was probably what caused them to snap and tell us that we get no more info.