Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[Deceptus]

I mean, they made a mechanic where Macrocosmos was an "I win" button. I'd hate to think that no one thought to consider macrocosmos when designing P3S, but honestly seeing how little care gets put into healers in this game, it's almost assuredly what happened.
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The same job designers who didn't consider Macrocosmos "I Win" were the same ones who made bleeds harsh enough that had sages dumping their CD's.

What did that result in?

Players having their BUFFS not apply because our characters hit the buff max. . . in 2023/2024. We had a period where they had to increase the debuff limit on mobs because players hit the max, and now this.

They literally don't think about this stuff when designing combat and healers

[Supersnow845]

The same job designers who didn't consider Macrocosmos "I Win" were the same ones who made bleeds harsh enough that had sages dumping their CD's.

What did that result in?

Players having their BUFFS not apply because our characters hit the buff max. . . in 2023/2024. We had a period where they had to increase the debuff limit on mobs because players hit the max, and now this.

They literally don't think about this stuff when designing combat and healers

To be fair why do every single one of SGE’s heals have to apply two buffs to everyone

Why do you need to have unique buffs for kerechole’s mitigation and its regen, or holos shield and its mitigation

The buff cap is a problem of their own making caused by every savage mechanic being “solve your debuff vomit” but god damn could they cut down on pointless healer buff bloat that just indicates heals

[ty_taurus]

To be fair why do every single one of SGE’s heals have to apply two buffs to everyone

Why do you need to have unique buffs for kerechole’s mitigation and its regen, or holos shield and its mitigation

The buff cap is a problem of their own making caused by every savage mechanic being “solve your debuff vomit” but god damn could they cut down on pointless healer buff bloat that just indicates heals

The Holos barrier and mitigation effect make sense because if the mitigation is tied to the barrier, then the mitigation is lost when the barrier breaks. That being said, that's actually kind of cool. Make the mitigation stronger, but only last as long as the barrier does. Though I'm sure if the goal is to keep it as is, there could be a way to have an barrier persist even when the value is at 0 while still providing the effect.

Physis II is a weird one. The regen lasts 15 seconds, but the increased healing effect only lasts 10 seconds. Because as we know, 5 extra seconds of a 10% increase to healing would be so broken that it would basically destroy the healer balance beyond recognition.

[Rikka_Chu]

Lets be honest Yoshi spits a lot of things that make no sence. A lot of things he says is just what players want to hear, even though they dont realise that what he said is actually bad for them and for the game.

[Aravell]

Macrocosmos in P3S is 100% an oversight, because instead of setting your HP to 1 like other doom mechanics, clearing the debuff in Death's Toll overkills you by several millions.

As for the buff cap issue, that's why I think they should return to pre-ShB fight design. Let's look at O8S, he only really gives out 1 or 2 debuffs during his mechanics, most of the mechanics are done with invisible targeting, tethers and prey markers. Now let's look at P12S, some mechanics give you 3+ debuffs, some of the mechanics that those debuffs cause could also have been done with tethers or markers over the head, there was really no need for a debuff for everything.

[Valence]

Isn't it always fun to have to painfully parse through a full party list with everybody full of buffs and debuffs in order to find the ONE debuff you're looking for in an incoming mechanic? Nisi style in TEA, etc.

You'll have your debuff vomit and you'll like it.

[ty_taurus]

I really don’t like debuff check mechanics. I don’t see why those mechanics aren’t just given different types of telegraph indicators that communicate the same information in a much clearer way. I mean, I know the answer is “to make it harder” but it’s only harder my a smidge, and not in a fun way either. Making the challenge about squinting at a tiny icon to know what you need to do rather than some numbers overlaying your character is a really artificial way of adding difficulty.

[mallleable]

Kinda related to the topic, but I want to see more fights that feel less like you are managing game pieces, and more like the boss is genuinely trying to kill the party -- like the feeling should less resolving a mechanic, and more surviving an onslaught.

[ty_taurus]

Kinda related to the topic, but I want to see more fights that feel less like you are managing game pieces, and more like the boss is genuinely trying to kill the party -- like the feeling should less resolving a mechanic, and more surviving an onslaught.

I completely understand what you mean. I don't really feel like boss fights are a power struggle between us and them, but almost more of a stage play or something. That's kind of why I want to see more chaotic elements at play. Rather than the boss standing around doing nothing while casting an upcoming mechanic, I want to see a return of more layered, smaller mechanics. One mechanic starts, and two more start before the first has finished. Like orbs popping, adds that explode, random party members getting hit with small AOEs, random line AOEs firing through the arena, and any one of these mechanics doesn't necessarily need to hit all that hard if failed, so getting clipped by things doesn't feel like a failure, but a part of the chaos.

[Maltothoris]

Actually I know I was making comparisons between p9s and o7s when it comes to randomness of party damage but looking back I remembered t10. T10 had head lightning which just targeted random people besides the wild charge target and then this was able to keep the pressure because it was completely who was going to get hit of the 7 and then you had to make sure you didn't get hit by the wild charge.